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- From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
- Subject: Re: American communists and the Soviet Union
- In-Reply-To: dean@vexcel.com's message of 18 Nov 92 21:33:50 GMT
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- Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 18:03:54
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- Dean Alaska posts:
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- This record is actually quite mixed. You gloss over the
- persecution of Alger Hiss by saying there is no info yet
- when a top commumist said there is no information, period
- (I'd like to here what Nixon has to say about this). The
- information about Bridges (at least what I saw in the paper)
- is ambiguous and indicates he _might_ have been involved. I
- don't doubt that some were involved, but there were many who
- weren't involved who were persecuted. This does not add up
- to "Much ... is confirmed." Considering that the US is
- supposed to permit unpopular dissent, many people who _were_
- communists should have had the opportunity to say so and be
- proponents of this position without persection. Only those
- who advocated _and_ practiced or assisted violent overthrow
- could justifiably be persecuted under the law.
-
- The article wasn't vague about Hiss. It merely said that they expect
- soon to find out. I suppose they haven't waded through all the files
- yet or maybe they haven't got them all yet. They aren't getting KGB
- files but only Comintern and CPSU files. The Russians have said they
- will release no information about agents, so the references in the
- Comintern files they have are sort of accidental. We may not hear
- about Hiss even if he was an agent, if they improved their security
- fences later.
-
- By the way, what top communist said there was no information? Almost
- all the top communists from that era are dead, both here and in
- Russia. Milton Wolff is still alive, but he operated in the
- international arena. Should I have the article OCRed and post it or
- does your library have the American Spectator for 1992 December?
- However, I think Hiss was properly convicted by enough evidence
- available in America.
-
- As for Bridges, the law concerning deportation is quite different from
- the Smith Act under which communist leaders were convicted. William
- Schneiderman, who came to the U.S. at the age of two, was deported
- to Russia when it was proved he was a communist. He was one of the
- open leaders.
-
- I'm not claiming that the deportation of Schneiderman was just,
- only that it was in accordance with the law as interpreted by the
- judges of the time. In fact I think it wasn't just. Bridges, of
- course, was guilty of perjury according to the present evidence.
-
- The new evidence does refute the idea that all these trials were
- based on complete fabrications. This idea is still common in
- liberal circles, witness Dean Alaska's use of the word "persecution".
- Whoops, maybe "persecution" is used as a synonym for "prosecution".
- --
- John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
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- He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
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