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- From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
- Newsgroups: talk.rape
- Subject: Re: More on fantasies and discussing one or two (was) Re: Rape in any form ...
- Message-ID: <SYNTH.92Jul31124736@deepthought.unm.edu>
- Date: 31 Jul 92 19:47:36 GMT
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- In-Reply-To: lazlo@triton.unm.edu's message of Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:47:19 GMT
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- Lazlo> Hearing someone say "I sure would like to shove my dick in her
- Lazlo> mouth" demonstrates that they're a clod, but it's hardly
- ^^^^
- Could you elaborate on this. What do you mean by "clod"?
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- > ...your definition of "rape fantasy" seems to involve a lot more of an
- > extreme kind of image or attitude than mine. Rape follows a *wide*
- > spectrum.
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- Lazlo> I define rape as "non-consensual sexual contact" -- I'm not sure
- Lazlo> how that differs from your definition but it's probably not by
- Lazlo> much. When I said "full-blown rape fantasy" I said "full-blown"
- Lazlo> to distinguish a fantasy that specifically and intentionally
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- Lazlo> includes rape as a part of the fantasy,
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- A definition of rape as "non-consensual sexual contact" need not mean
- that there has to be a specific, intentional desire to inflict "rape"
- on someone. Are you suggesting that some date-rape cases can be
- thrown out because the attacker was under the delusion that he was not
- "raping"?
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- >> If these ... are really typical of the fantasies of the males you were
- >> socialized with, then the fact that you still associated with them says
- >> almost as much about you as it does about them.
- >
- > "Still associated with them"? From what hat did you pull *this* rabbit
- > out of ...?
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- Lazlo> If you didn't associate with them, how can you say that you
- Lazlo> were socialized with them? What am I missing?
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- You are adding two assumptions: 1) that I harbor these attitudes as
- well, which is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard you say, and
- 2) that I continued to associate with them upon learning about their
- attitudes toward women. Let me state this as plainly as I can, so as
- not to promote further confusion: *both of these are False*.
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