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- From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
- Newsgroups: talk.rape
- Subject: Re: More on fantasies and discussing one or two (was) Re: Rape in any form ...
- Message-ID: <1992Jul31.010730.109852@cs.cmu.edu>
- Date: 31 Jul 92 01:07:30 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul27.172713.19373@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> rpetsche@mrg.CWRU.EDU (Rolfe G. Petschek) writes:
- #In article <1992Jul27.045208.219642@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
-
- I deleted a great deal here.
-
- Thank you very much. I think that I finally understand your
- motivation, and I can thus generalize to other people. I
- am indeed grateful that you were willing to discuss such
- private things in order to help me see this. The "playing
- lion" story was most helpful, too. I think that I needed
- something totally removed from a rape scenario to really see.
-
- ##I get
- ##the impression from the "It's perfectly normal!" crowd that
- ##they are not at all alarmed by their fantasies.
- #
- #Well remember I have had rape fantasies (both ways) all my adult life.
- #I have never (even come close to) rape. Remember also that it was clear
- #to me at one point in my life that I could have acted out a rape
- #fantasy consensually (and this would probably even have been a good
- #thing for me to have done and would have been welcomed, possibly greatly
- #enjoyed, by my partner - but well I can not be sure of that). My
- #response - controled revulsion. I wanted nothing to do with that.
- #
- #Why should I be alarmed by a fantasy which I could not even imagine actually
- #acting out?
-
- Exactly. You shouldn't have needed to say this, but I didn't
- quite see this before. See below.
-
- #I remark that it is also possible to have rape fantasies e.g. because
- #you are upset with someone and wish to do them harm, just as Susan had
- #torture fantasies with a particular person because she was 'upset' with
- #him and wished to do him harm. I agree that such fantasies are less
- #healthy/normal and a matter for concern. (Yes, I had such during a very
- #stressful period of my life now thankfully past). If a person has them
- #persistantly - or even if they persistantly have rape fantasies with the
- #notion of acting on them somehow realistic - why, help is a good idea.
-
- The reason that my fantasy bothered me so was that I could easily
- imagine carrying it out. I *wanted* to carry it out.
-
- To answer Synth's question, the therapist I saw told me that it
- was normal to want to hurt the man who raped me, and that I
- shouldn't be overly concerned unless I found myself actually
- planning to carry through with my fantasy, or if I became
- obsessed by it. (I'm still not sure if I would have become
- obsessed or not - he died very soon afterward. I do know, though,
- that I never made any serious plans to go to the prison
- and torture him)
-
- Again, thank you for patiently explainig this. It did
- help.
-
- Susan
-