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- From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
- Newsgroups: talk.rape
- Subject: Re: Rape in any form ...
- Message-ID: <1992Jul29.085038.9026@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
- Date: 29 Jul 92 08:50:37 EST
- References: <1992Jul23.175429.11674@brtph560.bnr.ca> <SYNTH.92Jul28193941@deepthought.unm.edu>
- Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services
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- In article <SYNTH.92Jul28193941@deepthought.unm.edu>, synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
-
- >
- > BZZZT. Quite the contrary, I find the evidence plausible and
- > enlightening. Just what *is* the evidence? That rape fantasies and
- > other fantasies are common in both genders. That fantasies can heighten
- > intimacy. That too much fantasy can distance you from your partner.
- > That separating fantasy from reality is important. And that the
- > scientific community does not know enough about fantasy to say whether
- > any certain kind is normal and another abnormal:
- >
- > --
- > [New York Times, February 28, 1984: "Sexual Fantasies: What Are Their
- > Hidden Meanings?"]
- > [...]
- > ''Our knowledge of sexual fantasies is about where our data on
- > masturbation was 50 years ago, pre- Kinsey, '' [Dr. David Barlow, SUNY
- > Albany] said. ''We don't really know what the usual, normal pattern
- > looks like. There are probably large numbers of people who think they're
- > abnormal, but as we get better data, we'll probably find that the normal
- > range of people's fantasies is even more diverse than we realize now.''
- > --
-
- Seems to me like this is saying the 'normal' range is even more 'unusual' than
- we perceive.
-
- >
- >>> My guess is that your fantasy of humiliating
- >>> your ex is really just simple revenge, and does not involve some sense
- >>> of satisfaction in giving her lasting emotional and psychological
- >>> scarring, loss of intimacy or sociability, recurring nightmares, etc.
- >>> (Or does it ...?)
- >
- > dc> Wrong Synth. The asnwer as to why I enjoy this fantasy is every
- > dc> bit as simple as why you enjoy ANY of your sexual fantasies.
- >
- > Evading the question AGAIN. I love it.
-
- Quite the contrary. I DID answer it. But, as I explained it poorly, (tried to
- get you to realize it was like any other fantasy!) I will explain what I get
- out of it--
-
- SEXUAL GRATIFICATION!!!!
- A SPENT STIFFY!!!
- WONEDERFUL ORGASM!!!
- BLISSFUL REST!!!
-
- This is NO different than a fantasy about that cute blonde at the rec center
- where I envison her going down on me!!! Would you ever ask me what I got out of
- THAT fantasy??? If I said I fantasized about pounding it between Christy
- Canyons tits, would you sit back and ask me what about it gave me a thrill?
-
- Repeat to yourself--no difference between reasons for sexual fantasies...no
- difference...no difference...
-
- And, if you want to know why I enjoy fantasies that YOU don't enjoy, I'll
- explain why right after you tell me whether or not you like the tatste of
- liver, and then explain WHY you have the preference. (And, in case you miss the
- point of where THAT question is going, I will then ask you to explain in
- scientific terms what causes you to prefer or dislike liver. Eventually, you
- will say, "Because that is how it tastes to me!" THEN, I will draw the analogy
- back and ask you how can you expect me to explain the deep reasons for my
- preferences in sexual fantasies when you can't even explain it about the food
- you eat. Hopefully, by that point, you will begin to relaize that somethings
- are just a matter of preference.
-
- >
- >
- > dc> I'll tell you in intimate detail. I'll let you know every
- > dc> lurid detail. I have told details. You want exact plot?
- >
- > No, I don't want plot or details; I want to know what you're feeling;
- > what is being *satisfied* in your mind when you dream of this?
- ^^^^^
- fantasize
-
- What is being satisfied in my mind is my dick in my hand.
-
- >
- > Your answer, please. If you don't *want* to discuss it to me/others,
- > SAY SO. But evade it one more time and I have to question your ability
- > or willingness to introspectively confront your emotions, attitudes and
- > base motivations. Can you do it?
-
- Totally. Already have. It is YOU who can not accept that some things can not be
- answered outside of one's self EXCEPT by analogy that gives one the ability to
- take a somewhat analogous human internal experience and relate it to another
- human's internal experience.
-
- Maybe after you explain, in scientific reasons, why you like or dislike liver,
- in such a way that a person without any sense of taste can understand it,
- you will have invented language that I can then use to make you understand my
- preferences.
-
- Although, without telepathy, I don't think it can be done.
-
- DC
-
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