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- From: seiffe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Erica Seiffert)
- Subject: Re: Kristen's Question (off the track a bit)
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- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:05:57 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul21.140805.8813@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
- >In article <Brqu97.Awy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, seiffe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Erica Seiffert) writes:
- >
- >>
- >> Excuse me, but I think you have missed the point of my
- >> post. I am NOT saying that women who fantasize about being raped
- >> want to be raped. I certainly don't. I'm saying that there are
- >> people out there that do believe that's what a woman wants. I'm saying
- >> that there is a rape myth out there and posting statistics about rape
- >> fantasies without mentioning the control factor (ie people are in
- >> control when they fantasize versus not being in control when they are
- >> being raped) can lend support to their false belief. That's
- >> my opinion. DC doesn't agree with me.
- >>
- >Not only Do I disagree, but I think that line of reasoning is dangerous. If you
- >post your belief that someone who reads a rape fantasy statistic will be more
- >inclined to believe a woman who wants to be raped, then someone who reads that
- >will have it in their mind that someone who sees such stats now has a new
- >scapegoat. Hell, you think the uniformed are more likely to go out and rape as
- >a result of reading that information.
- >
- >If a rapist can show he saw such stats without a warning, thus leading him to
- >believe women wanted to be raped, and he uses your logic in court, should he be
- >found not guilty?
- >
- >He raped. Place them blame on his actions. Not, a posting of rape fantasies. We
- >live in a country where everbody blames someone for the wrong things they
- >themselves have done.
- >
- >I don't buy it.
-
- DC,
-
- I do not believe that I have ever said that posting
- rape fantasies promotes rape. I have stated my opinion
- on what promotes a rape myth. I have known men and women
- who, as far as I know, have never raped anyone who believe
- that if a person fantasizes about being raped, it means
- that they want to be raped.
-
- >
- >>>
- >>>
- >>>>Don't get me wrong, posting statics on rape fantasies is educates
- >>>>people on an interesting happening in the human psyche, but, I hate
- >>>>to see these findings used as justification for rape.
- >>>
- >> Of course there is no justification for rape (perhaps that was
- >> a poor choice of wording on my part). Perhaps I should phase my
- >> sentiment this way, "I hate to see these findings used to validate
- >> a rape myth."
- >>
- >But by saying the warnings need to be posted, you validate the rape-cause
- >myth the rapist uses to prove "She wanted it." He finds a post without warnings
- >and says he read it. Then he argues the same argument you are using, "Warnings
- >should have been given."
- >
- >Do you want him to use the same argument you are making?
- >
-
- I am not the Surgeon General; I'm not advocating putting
- "warning" labels on anything. The whole start of this thread was
- me asking if the posts you made about rape fantasies included a
- discussion about fantasies versus the reality. You essentialy
- asked me why should the posts include that discussion. I have
- answered why I feel that way. You seem to be hung up in disscussing
- the validity of my opinions. Why?
-
-
- Exactly what is the rape-cause myth? Is it anything like
- the PC rape fantasy to wit you referred earlier and then never
- explained? If you are talking about the "defense" of : "She was
- asking for it because dressed provacatively, danced provacitively,
- went home with him, etc....," than I don't see how it correlates
- with my opinions.
- >DC
- >
-
- ems
- ******
- I don't speak for my employers and we both like it that way.
-