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- From: pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis)
- Subject: Re: "Keep Your Pollution!" (Article)
- Message-ID: <1992Jul29.233204.23999@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
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- Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
- References: <3596@execu.execu.com> <1992Jul29.184512.13509@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <JMC.92Jul29145701@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
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- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:32:04 GMT
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- In article <JMC.92Jul29145701@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
- >British exploitation of their colonies was more than compensated for
- >by the introduction of railroads, capitalism and a proper legal system.
-
- I'm glad you think so. You might like to ask around on this one.
-
- >As for Paul Barton-Davis's guilt feelings, I started to write [ ... ]
-
- I wouldn't bother writing anything until you know the difference
- between guilt and disgust, John. As for middle-class, since when were
- you privy to my class background ?
-
- >Somehow I doubt the sincerity of Barton-Davis's claim that the left
- >Britain for political reasons. It's possible, but I still doubt it.
-
- I'll deal with this privately, if at all.
-
- >As to the United Nations, the democracies dominated the UN when it
- >was first formed, about through the end of the Korean War.
-
- As I said.
- After
- >that, the Security Council was stalemated until the collapse of
- >communism when it again became dominated by the democracies.
- >After the Korean War, poisonous Third World politics came to dominate
- >the General Assembly abetted by the communists.
-
- I love it. Our politics are "strategic", theirs are "poisonous".
- Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury.
-
- >Finally exactly what countries do you claim were "screwed over by the west"
- >and in what way?
-
- How precisely do you want this ? If (sub)-continent is a fine enough
- resolution, then Africa, India, S. America and the Pacific will do for
- starters. How ? Indigineous political systems destroyed or warped;
- natural resources shipped for a pittance to Europe or the US; nuclear
- testing dumping fall out; air and naval bases taking land and then
- producing noise and restricting freedom of movement; industrial
- development jump started by capitalists who collected and exported
- most of the profits; should I go on ?
-
- Or do you want me just to list UN (non-)decisions that supported such
- activities, even when a majority of UN members opposed it, but were
- unable to bring matters to a vote (let alone "a just war") due to the
- "strategic" cooperation of the Security Council members ?
-
- >Specifically, what about Puerto Rico? Do you demand its independence
- >from the U.S. in opposition to the great majority of its inhabitants.
-
- No. I demand nothing. I ask only that the other side of US
- involvement in its colonies become as much a part of the story as any
- benefits it may have bought them. Puerto Rico is almost certainly a
- much more comfortable place for most people than it was before the US
- started futzing with it. That's nice - I just would have liked the
- people who lived there given the chance to make their own decisions
- when they still could, rather than once they had become intoxicated on
- the same ideas that most of us are.
-
- -- paul
- --
- "Fun" is a word invented by advertising executives to sell soft drinks.
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