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- From: ihodge@leibniz.waterloo.edu (Ian Hodge)
- Subject: Re: Libertarians & the environment
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- References: <1992Jul21.213229.4946@techbook.com> <1992Jul22.011657.3102@reed.edu> <1992Jul22.220950.15339@shearson.com> <1992Jul23.072909.5696@reed.edu> <rdippold.711918245@cancun>
- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:32:13 GMT
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- In article <rdippold.711918245@cancun>, rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
- > sharvy@reed.edu (V Headshape) writes:
- > >ecosystem, extinct? And what if it is the result of process which results
- > >in an economic gain that is greater than the economic loss due to the
- > >environmental damage? An example of such "poisoning" might be the
- > >logging of old-growth. In such a case, classic Libertarian solutions
- > >do not protect the environment.
- >
- > Old-growth logging is as profitable as it is because the government
- > subsidizes it big time. They sell the rights to it at far under
- > market price, they build roads for the companies to get to the timber
- > (more miles of roads than the interstate highway system), and does
- > anything else they need. They do all the hard work, then the logging
- > companies move in and just do the logging, and sell at a huge profit.
-
- Yes!
-
- At least in Canada, besides the fact that the logging companies get
- cheap use of the land, the main point is - they don't own it. The
- forestry companies have no incentive to do anything other then get
- as much out of the land as they can, at as little cost. If forestry companies
- had to obtain property rights to the land, that would probably mean the
- end to clear cutting.
-
- In Canada, the government apparently encourages clear cutting so that
- forestry companies will be sure to cut down more marginal trees so that
- forestry companies will have more waste for pulp mills. This is of
- course to the dubious social goals of maintaining a healthy
- pulp industry and the jobs and money that go with it.
-
- At the same time, government financed recycling programs are filling
- the market with old newspapers resulting in depressed pulp prices.
- The government is ruining the environment and encouraging increased
- consumption through its policies and blowing all sorts of public
- money in the process.
-
- I don't know many of the details but in south-east asia, governments
- there encourage exploitation of the rain forests by forestry companies
- by allowing them to ignore property rights of native populations.
-
- Government intervention is clearly the cause of most the criminal
- overexploitation of this resource. I think that classic libertarian
- solutions would at least be an improvement over the current government
- 'solutions' to environmental management.
-
- Ian Hodge
-
- ihodge@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
-
- 'kill the social charter'
-