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- From: pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis)
- Subject: Re: Native People's leadership
- Message-ID: <1992Jul22.190654.8161@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
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- Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
- References: <92204.112350MEK104@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 19:06:54 GMT
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- In article <92204.112350MEK104@psuvm.psu.edu> <MEK104@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark Kubiske writes:
- >in <1992Jul19.143145.5665@iscsvax.uni.edu> duneman 7484@iscsvax.uni.edu
- >writes
- >
- >>Just a thought to ponder, at least: ... Looking for ways to make the
- >>environmental movement work *before* "it's too late." It is agreed, I'm
- >>sure, that the main source of this enviro-horror is the "West's" total
- >>absence of CONNECTION to the Earth and it's beauty. We've ransacked the
- >>Earth'sresources for our own material excesses with no thought as to what
- >>we were destroying. Now, who can give us the leadership to guide us
- >>through this mess ... Native peoples. The indigineous peoples of the
- >world - NOT >the conquerors and destroyers.
- >
- >Several points to respond to here. I flatly reject your notion that all of
- >the environmental problems in the world today are the result of "western"
- >civilization. Are you suggesting that the countries of the mideast and far
- >east are more "environmentally sensitive" than we are?
-
- I want to resoundingly emphasise Mark's point here. There have been
- environmental disasters going on around the globe wherever human
- beings are, for as long as we have been farming, and perhaps even
- before that. Remember the phrase "The Fertile Crescent" that described
- the area around the Tigris & Euphrates rivers ? That area was
- practically a desert even before Europe got into the Renaissance, let
- alone the Industrial Revolution. It wasn't caused, at least as I have
- read, by climate changes, although these certainly happen; it was
- caused by a society of peasant farmers and rich autocrats destroying
- the irrigation, fauna and topsoil that was there to begin with. The
- appendix of David Brin's so-so novel "Earth" has a great paragraph
- describing several other cases of historical ecological destruction.
-
- The point is that the behaviour of *human beings*, not "western" human
- beings, is a problem. I hope that it might also become part of the
- answer.
-
- -- paul
-
- --
- Paul's housebuilding credo:
- Measure it with a micrometer, cut it with a chainsaw, fit it
- with a sledgehammer
-
-