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- Subject: Re: Hypocrites?
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- From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
- Date: 30 Jul 92 20:46:25 GMT
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- beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
-
- >In article <adams.712521565@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
- >>chaneysa@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (Steve Chaney | Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.0 ) writes:
- >>
- >>>The media refers to pro-aborts as "pro-choice" and pro-life as
- >>>"anti-abortion."
- >>Hmm. Let's see...could that be because there are lots of people who
- >>believe in the RIGHT to abortion while not supporting abortion itself? You
- >>could hardly call me 'pro-abortion,' but you can clearly call me
- >>'pro-choice.' Or, more simply put: "pro-choice" != "pro-abortion".
- >>
- >>You could argue for a slightly longer title : "pro-reproductive-choce"
-
- >Or perhaps more accurately,
-
- > "pro-second-choice" [as opposed to the first choice,
- > to risk pregnancy resulting from sex]
- Sorry, but it is entirely possible to take proper precautions and STILL end
- up pregnant. Oh, and then there's incest, rape, etc.
-
- > "pro-female-choice" [men have no legal/formal choice]
-
- >Since "pro-choice" does not include any rights (influence != rights)
- >for men beyond the "first choice," "pro-choice" is IMHO a bit broad.
-
- A much more difficult problem. Although men can't force an abortion, they
- can be forced to support the child. As for me, it's not an issue of force.
- Were I to impregnate someone who chose to carry the child to term and keep
- him/her, I'd support the child of my own free will, as part of my
- responsibility.
-
- >How about "pro-control"? "anti-male-choice"?
- 'Control' fits the 'pro-life' side a bit better...they want to exercise
- total control over the range of choices. Why are the 'pro-life' people
- against RU-486?
-
- >>On the other hand, "pro-life" doesn't exactly state the thing they want,
- >>now does it? People who oppose executions & wars are just about as "pro-life"
- >>as you can get. And how about helping starving people? Or the homeless.
- >>What the "Pro-Life" people want is an end to abortion. Period. Therefore,
- >>the proper appelation would well be "anti-abortion."
-
- >After the much-discussed television ads about offering and finding
- >nice homes for children who aren't aborted [even though this may not
- >apply to non-white/unhealthy babies], it seems that "pro-lifers"
- >do have at least some strong concerns about life. In general,
- >the debate over terminology seems to be motivated more by the desire
- >to call the "other" the "anti" group than by a desire for accuracy
- >[present company excepted] -- but that is just MHO.
-
- This concern is demonstrated by using children to blockade clinics?
-
- -Steve
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