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- From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
- Subject: Re: Celibate marriages? (was Re: Well, I lost that article...)
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- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:42:11 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul26.160516.27625@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
- >In article <1992Jul23.233429.20447@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
- >>In article <1992Jul23.003313.18002@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
- :::
- :::[Me and Bill Overpeck were talking. I said that state schools should teach
- :::children that their bodies are their own, and that nobody has the right to
- :::use them against their wills.]
- :::
- :::[Bill asked, something along the lines of, so do you think the schools should
- :::teach about abstinance?]
- :::
- :::If they're going to teach it in terms of being the only 100% guaranteed,
- :::foolproof method of avoiding pregnancy, and all STD's, yes.
- ::
- :: And will it also be taught that the safest marriage is a
- ::celibate one?
- ::
- :: I may add that the ideal of celibate marriage was actually
- ::taught by the medieval Church; they called it the "Josephite marriage"
- ::on the ground that Joseph and Mary had supposedly never had sex with
- ::each other. See Ute Ranke-Heinemann's _Eunuchs for the Kingdom of
- ::Heaven_ for more fun info of this sort.
- ::
- :: And if marriage is conceded safe, will "living together" also
- ::be conceded safe?
- :
- :Loren, I'm not making any sort of comment about marriage, I'm talking about
- :abstinence.
-
- And to call abstinence "safe sex" is misleading, because it is
- no sex at all.
-
- And if one wishes to present any sexual activity at all, then
- why not present the absolute safety of masturbation instead, and
- recommend it for people of all ages?
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- And if masturbation is not a safe sex act, then why is it not
- a sex act? I will accept reasoned argument, and ONLY reasoned
- arguments.
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