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- From: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Subject: Re: Abortion and Infanticide
- Message-ID: <1992Jul24.155801.7456@ncsu.edu>
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- Reply-To: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Organization: North Carolina State University
- References: <1992Jul19.194752.18295@ncsu.edu> <1992Jul21.215735.15272@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1992Jul22.014836.6377@ncsu.edu> <1992Jul22.164302.460@hemlock.cray.com>
- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:58:01 GMT
- Lines: 57
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- In article <1992Jul22.164302.460@hemlock.cray.com>
- mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
-
- >dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
-
- >>But why doesn't the fetus enjoy the same right to bodily autonomy?
-
- > autonomy, n.
- >
- > 1. The quality or state of being self-governing
- > 2. A self-governing state
- > 3. Self-directing freedom esp. moral independence
- >
- > source: Webster's Ninth New College Dictionary
- >
- > In the first place, it is difficult to imagine a
- > self-governing or self-directing state for an entity
- > which is completely contained within the body of
- > another.
-
- Why not?
-
-
- > In the second place, it's impossible for the woman
- > and the fetus to have 'the same right to bodily
- > autonomy'.
-
- Why not? The woman and the fetus are both members of the
- human species, and so they should enjoy the same right to
- bodily autonomy. A late-term fetus is not much different
- from a newborn infant, and so if you deny rights to the
- late-term fetus, then you will automatically deny rights to
- the newborn infant.
-
-
- > If you start awarding any rights whatever
- > to fetuses, you do so only by removing rights from
- > the woman who must defer to it.
-
- You simply presuppose that the woman has the right to kill the fetus
- in the first place.
-
- > Since a fetus is
- > generally incapable of enjoying or expressing such
- > things as 'self-directing freedom', removing the
- > autonomy rights of the woman in favor of the fetus
- > seems ludicrous.
-
- Since a newborn infant is generally incapable of enjoying or
- expressing such things as 'self-directing freedom', your logic
- would require us to deny rights to newborn infants.
-
- >muriel
-
-
- Doug Holtsinger
-
-