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- From: wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck)
- Subject: Re: Whose Values?
- Message-ID: <1992Jul21.210531.27760@acd4.acd.com>
- Sender: news@acd4.acd.com (USENET News System)
- Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:05:31 GMT
- Lines: 75
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- In <1992Jul16.010915.4180@Cadence.COM> phz@cadence.com
- (Pete Zakel) writes: >
- In article <1992Jul7.212145.17720@acd4.acd.com> wdo@TEFS1.acd.com
- (Bill Overpeck) writes: >>
-
- >>When an *adult* risks participating in casual sexual activity, many
- >>people seem to think that they should be exempted from the natural
- >>consequences of that behavior by permitting easy access to abortion.
- >>Why do we teach our children about consequences, yet insist that
- >>adults be exempt from experiencing them? Seems like a double stan-
- >>dard (and lousy role modelling) to me.
-
- >So getting an abortion is not a big deal, huh?
-
- I didn't say that, nor did I mean to imply it (though it's undeniably
- true for some people I've met).
-
- >It seems to me that
- >many (if not most) women are troubled enough by the idea of abortion
- >that they would NOT get one lightly. Of course, there are exceptions
- >to everything.
-
- No disagreement.
-
- >I've even heard some pro-lifers claim that abortion is far more traumatic
- >to the (ex-)mother than going through a full-term pregnancy and giving up
- >the child for adoption (I dispute this, but I've seen this argument used).
-
- It probably is for some people, but I doubt it works that way for most.
-
- >In any case, an adult has the right to try to avoid (legally) the
- >consequences of "casual sexual activity" (note, though, that not all
- >abortions are a result of "casual sexual activity").
-
- The term "avoid" isn't correct. "Redress" or "undo" might work, but
- "avoid" implies that abortion is the equivalent of a birth control
- technique and I doubt that you wish to make that comparison.
-
- >>Now, this is *not* about punishment. This is simply about being an
- >>adult. For example, if I as an adult, decide to have an affair, I
- >>risk the possibility that my wife will leave me if and when she finds
- >>out. In that scenario, leaving doesn't constitute punishment (despite
- >>its devastating effects), it's simply a natural consequence of deeply
- >>violating the trust of another.
-
- >Yes, but if you are successful in hiding the affair, you may never have
- >to face the consequences.
-
- I would argue that for most people there are other (personal) consequences
- of such behavior, but that's tangential.
-
- >Of course, I think that people who deliberately violate the trust of
- >marriage are mostly slime-balls (not all, but most), but that's neither
- >here nor there.
- >
- >In any case, being pregnant is not the same as having an affair.
-
- No analogy goes very far in this debate.
-
- >And I still hold that a pregnant woman is the ONLY person who has the
- >right to decide the future of the possible future child that is growing
- >within her body. If she decides to abort it, it is and should be her
- >decision alone to make.
-
- And we're quickly back to the basis for such a right which, without
- the sanction of the state, must appeal to some transcendent belief
- in the importance of individual autonomy.
-
- >And any compassionate human being would support her in that decision
- >and help her with the healing necessary afterward.
-
- I didn't think abortion was significant enough to require any
- subsequent "healing". You guys need to make up your minds.
-
- Bill
-