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- From: rwallace@unix1.tcd.ie (russell wallace)
- Subject: Re: ET's, life in space
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- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:23:50 GMT
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- In <30JUL199214461107@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov> bhill@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert S. Hill) writes:
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- >>In <1992Jul29.225958.20821@cs.cmu.edu> 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes:
- >>>>>Given that for evolution of life to start, a simple living organism must
- >>>>>come together from amino acids etc. by accident; and that for any
- >>>Not accident. Think in statistics. Given umpteen billion gallons
- >>>of warm, super gunky sea, what are the possibilities that any one
- >>>group of amino acids could form self-replicating protiens...
-
- >In article <rwallace.712484402@unix1.tcd.ie>,
- >rwallace@unix1.tcd.ie (russell wallace) writes...
- >>I *am* thinking in statistics. If the smallest possible self-replicator
- >>is 1000 amino acids in size, and there is only one self-replicator of
- >>that size, and supposing there are 20 possible amino acids, then the
- >>odds against any 1000-amino acid chain being a self-replicator are
- >>20^1000 to 1. Against this statistic, the total number of molecules that
- >>can have been formed in the visible universe since the beginning of
- >>time is insignificant.
-
- >Any time I see the phrase `the odds against X,' a little alarm bell
- >goes off in my head. Let's postulate a situation and do the combinatorics.
-
- >Suppose the `reaction vessel' contains 1E6 molecules of each of 20
- >amino acids. Suppose that our magic polypeptide contains 1000 amino
- >acids, 50 of each kind for simplicity. Let C(N,n) mean the combinations
- >in N objects taken n at a time (since it's a little hard to make double-
- >height parentheses on my terminal). ^ is exponentiation operator.
-
- > Prob(magic molecule) = C(1E6,50)^20 / C(2E7,1000)
-
- I think you're using combinations, where permutations would be more
- appropriate (given that it's not only how many molecules of each type
- you select that's important, but also what order you arrange them in).
-
-
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