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- Subject: Re: Space Station Freedom assembly questions
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- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:14:00 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul29.141457.3965@samba.oit.unc.edu>, cecil@physics.unc.edu (Gerald Cecil) writes...
- >(Reformatted to be more readable, sorry.)
- >I'm trying to formulate a letter on the Space Station to my Congresspeople.
- >I have several questions on Space Station assembly issues that I'd
- >appreciate some input on. Thanks in advance!
-
- Not a correct number. JR Tompson in congressional testimony stated that there
- is a very good chance of losing an orbiter during the space station assembly
- process (for full outfitting and ten years of flights) This is about one in 50
- probability or one in 70 for the current schedule. We have had 24 flights
- since Challenger, the same amount as before Challenger and it *seems* that
- the program is far more on schedule and many of the criticality one problems
- have been fixed since Challenger (APU's have been targeted as the most
- dangerous problem to shuttle safety and have been extensively redesigned)
-
- >1. What is the current thinking on Shuttle accident probabilities and the
- >impact on Space Station assembly? I recall reading of an Air Force
- >assessment Post-Challenger that compounded to near certainty of a
- >disabling accident in 20 flights. (Not necessarily an explosion, but at
- >least removal of an Orbiter from the fleet.) If this is generally accepted,
- >but not discussed, maybe it needs some airing here(!)
- >
-
-
- >2. What is the status of Shuttle-C? Is it supposed to play any role in
- >Station assembly or for logistical support (= hauling water & hydrazine)?
-
- Shuttle C is dead. The mockup here at Marshall has been dissassembled and
- no further studies have been planned. All of our current heavy lift eggs are
- going with NLS.
-
- >
- >3. The only NON-POLITICAL argument that I have heard as to why Space
- >Station components should NOT be launched on Energia is the comparatively
- >northern latitude of the launch site and consequent payload loss for
- >cross-plane maneuvers. The penalty in my estimation doesn't look that bad,
- >given the large intrinsic capability of Energia, so are there
- >obvious bona-fide TECHNICAL problems (e.g. no engine restart capability)
- >that someone might care to comment on?
- >
-
- The cross plane maneouver from 51 degrees down to 28.5 degrees has an
- enormous penalty in payload. This is why you will NEVER see a Soyuz at
- SSF orbit unless it is on Energia. The payload penalty will drop Energia's
- delivered payload to around 50,000 pounds. I do not know the dynamics and
- this estimate is based on what I have read in generalities regarding that
- Energia could at best only deliver a Soyuz to SS Freedom. Anybody have
- Delta V numbers for such a plane change?
-
- >4. Does the present baseline Station have any real prospects for expansion?
- >I'm thinking of intrinsic power or dynamic (structural) compromises that
- >would prohibit additional modules.
-
- There is essentially no limit to the possibilites for expansion with the
- open truss architecture of SS Freedom. This was one of the FUNDAMENTAL
- design drivers for this architecture. It may not have all of the
- capabilities that we want now, but it can expand to accomodate much more
- power, internal Hab area and so forth.
-
- Note the problems that they are having with stabilization and reboost
- currently with MIR. The spam in a can approach to Space stations and
- the adding of modules such as has been the case with MIR has led to severe
- problems in control requiring the flight we read of right now to continue
- to fix the stabilization system and add new propulsion.
-
- For more information ask Bill Higgins here for a copy of Gordon Woodcock's
- paper on SS Freedom presented at the 1989 ISDC conference that aged Bill
- at least a year or two. Hope you still have some of that stuff Bill.
-
- Dennis, Wingo University of Alabama in Huntville
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- Revive the Saturn V!
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- Saturn Configuration #F1A engines #STME engines Payload to LEO
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- S1C-1 1 1 50,000 lbs
- S1C-2 Common tankage w/S1C-1 2 1 or 2 110,000 lbs
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- Common tankage for next phase
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- S1C-3 3 2 180,000 lbs
- S1C-4 4 2 or 3 235,000 lbs
- S1C-5 Full Saturn V config 5 5 plus 1 s/3 305,000 lbs
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