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- Path: sparky!uunet!gatech!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
- From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
- Newsgroups: sci.space
- Subject: Re: If the sun went out-how long life survive?
- Message-ID: <1992Jul23.144729.1865@ke4zv.uucp>
- Date: 23 Jul 92 14:47:29 GMT
- References: <schlegel.711588187@odin> <1992Jul20.193116.20779@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>
- Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
- Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
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- In article <1992Jul20.193116.20779@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes:
- >Mark Schlegel writes
- >>
- >> But hypothetically removing all sources of energy and miraculously
- >> removing all the thermal energy from the sun so it's a cold body,
- >> we have to remember that the earth is in a state of equilibrium of
- >> receiving solar energy and emitting or reflecting visible or infrared
- >> radiation. The flux on the top of the atmosphere from the sun is
- >> about 1300 W per square meter so the average loss is ~ 650 W per m2 per day
- >> (but only a normal temp. at cold temps this is less). So figure out
- >> the total heat capacity of the whole mass of the atmosphere, include
- >> the latent heat from the liquifaction of all the different gases,
- >> water first, then CO2, O2, N2, etc. I'm not going to do it!
- >>
- >
- >A first approximation could be to look at the cooling rate when the sun is
- >turned off each night. If the air is clear, this is typically 10-15 C. With
- >heavy overcast it's 5 C. If 0 happens to be in the range, you can deduct about
- >4-6 degrees from that range due to latent heat effects.
- >
- >Using those two as bounds, it would take 3-5 weeks before atmospheric gasses
- >started to liquify. However, most of the civilized world would stop in a week.
-
- The latent heat of the atmosphere is roughly 5.3E20 kWh. Radiative
- loss to maintain current equilibrium is 1.28E14 kW. That would require
- 1.1E3 days to drop the temperature to 0 Kelvin, or 2.12 years to drop the
- average temperature to the liquification temperature of nitrogen, if
- radiative loss remained constant. Of course it does not. It varies with
- the square of the black body temperature. Plus latent heats must be
- considered. For water vapor, that's a factor of 1000. Plus there is
- conductive transfer to the atmosphere from the land and water
- to consider.
-
- So the atmosphere wouldn't start to liquify in 3-5 weeks. It might start
- to liquify the nitrogen in the upper atmosphere in about 2-5 *years*. Sorry
- for using kW and kWh, it's easier for me to think in those units.
-
- Gary
-