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- From: egnr76@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
- Subject: Re: PSI - summary of book review
- Message-ID: <24304@castle.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 30 Jul 92 09:22:39 GMT
- References: <zlsiida.1062@fs1.mcc.ac.uk > <1992Jul29.135920.27176@news.uiowa.edu> <1992Jul29.204138.3043@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
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- In article <1992Jul29.204138.3043@blaze.cs.jhu.edu > arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
- >In article <1992Jul29.135920.27176@news.uiowa.edu> boyken@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Karl Boyken) writes:
- >>> The simple fact is that it's because X persons AGREE on what's out there
- >>> that we may assume that something really is out there. The rest follows
- >>> quite straightforwardly. However, your inner experiences are yours and
- >>> yours alone - why on earth should we believe any of it?
- >>This is the point of view of a skeptic--that the theory with the most votes
- >>wins? I've never heard the scientific method framed in those terms before.
- >
- >No, the point is that it can be verified by outsiders. If I say that (say)
- >disease is caused by bacteria, you too can look for the bacteria under a micro-
- >scope. Saying that disease is caused by invisible spirits that all the people
- >with microscopes happen to be unable to perceive is another story.
-
- Of course if bacteria and disease are always found together
- it seems logically possible that the disease causes the bacteria to
- appear. Killing the bacteria by antibiotics may just be aside effect
- of killing the disease. You need more investigation to show what role
- the bacteria play. Perhaps someone has done this, I don't know.
- >
- >>But let's say that's true. If the entire population of the world were to
- >>vote on what's real and what isn't, I'm pretty sure you'd be in the
- >>minority on quite a few issues. As has been pointed out by others, there
- >>has been anecdotal evidence of the paranormal in every culture throughout
- >>history--_no_ scientific concept or theory can make that claim.
- >
- >Fine. There's anecdotal evidence of "paranormal phenomena". OK, the
- >phenomena exist. People really do have experiences that seem to be ghosts,
- >ESP, or whatever.
- >
- >But when you claim that paranormal phenomena exist, you're not referring to
- >the perceptions. You don't mean "when I say that precognition exists I mean
- >that people think they're good at predicting the future, rather than that they
- >really _are_ good at it". Every culture probably knows some "paranormal
- >phenomena", but not every culture knows the concept of scientific proof.
-
- But most, if not all cultures show some concept of testing.
- I believe there is a case in the bible where Gideon, having been given
- a divine sign, changes the test protocol in case the last half dozen
- signs were due to chance (something to do with dew on sheep skins)
-