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- From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
- Subject: Re: PSI - summary of book review
- Message-ID: <1992Jul28.172014.14837@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
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- Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
- References: <1992Jul27.210619.23842@news.uiowa.edu>
- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:20:14 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul27.210619.23842@news.uiowa.edu>, boyken@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Karl Boyken) writes in part:
- |> >
- |> >I repeat my questions and challenge you to give me a straight answer.
- |> >I emphasize that I am asking for the benefit of your own personal
- |> >experience, which we BOTH agree is important, and we BOTH agree is
- |> >valid.
- |> >
- |> |>> What I really wnat to know is: What happens while you are (or feel
- |> |>> you are) out of your body? What is the "you" that is outside?
- |> |>> How can it "see" light (photons) without any of the ususal retina
- |> |>> and neural apparatus?
- |> |>> And most of all, "What, if anything, leaves the body during your OBE?"
- |> >
- |> >--
- |> > Robert E. McGrath
- |> > Urbana Illinois
- |> > mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
- |>
- |> My response was not irrelevant to your questions. I simply need to
- |> determine what kind of answer you want.
-
- OK, I'll be even more clear. Answer the questions in ANY WAY you want,
- so long as you state your opinion. I want you to appeal to whatever
- experience and authority YOU think is relevant.
-
- If you can't answer the questions in their present form just say so.
-
- |> Your questions imply that you
- |> believe that perception depends upon material interactions, that
- |> photons "really" exist, etc., etc.
-
- If you think I am mistaken in these apparent assumptions, then
- just say so. To be fair, you should indicate what you think
- would be better assumptions.
-
- To give you a possible sample answer:
- |> |>> How can it "see" light (photons) without any of the ususal retina
- |> |>> and neural apparatus?
- Possible response: Perception does not actually depend on the retina
- and neural apparatus.
-
- Was that difficult?
-
- Now you try it:
-
- |> >I repeat my questions and challenge you to give me a straight answer.
- |> >I emphasize that I am asking for the benefit of your own personal
- |> >experience, which we BOTH agree is important, and we BOTH agree is
- |> >valid.
- |> >
- |> |>> What I really wnat to know is: What happens while you are (or feel
- |> |>> you are) out of your body? What is the "you" that is outside?
- |> |>> How can it "see" light (photons) without any of the ususal retina
- |> |>> and neural apparatus?
- |> |>> And most of all, "What, if anything, leaves the body during your OBE?"
- |> >
-
- --
- Robert E. McGrath
- Urbana Illinois
- mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
-