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- From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: test that proves obes
- Message-ID: <1992Jul24.204342.1930@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
- Date: 24 Jul 92 20:43:42 GMT
- References: <1992Jul24.885.18006@dosgate>
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- In article <1992Jul24.885.18006@dosgate>, "ted trost" <ted.trost@canrem.com> writes in part:
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- |> RM>Out of Body EXPERIENCES clearly EXIST, just as dreams EXIST. The question
- |> RM>is how to explain them.
- |>
- |> How do we know OBE's *aren't* dreams?
-
- Phew! A question I can answer!
-
- Everyone that has ever reported an OBE also has had dreams. Most say
- the two are completely different experiences. The reports of OBEs
- also differ from reports of dreams in many ways.
-
- The *primary* difference is that an OBE "feels real" and is remembered
- just like waking experience. Dreams (including, I think, lucid dreams)
- do not "feel real", they feel, well, dreamy.
-
- There is a real possibility that some or even many "OBE's" may be
- unusually vivid "dreams". And it wouldn't be too surprizing to find
- that OBE's are eventually seen to be related to or to be in some sense
- a special kind of "dream". Since dreams are pretty interesting in
- their own right, this would hardly be a demotion!
-
- EEG studies may be able to distinguish between (one or more types of?)
- OBE's and "normal" dreaming.
-
- OBE's seem rare and unpredictable, so I expect it is difficult to get
- people to have OBE's while wearing sensors. The unpredictability of
- inducing OBE's is a definite problem here!
-
- (If any of you can get out of your body any time you want, get in contact
- with me. There are some really interesting experiments we could do.)
-
- --
- Robert E. McGrath
- Urbana Illinois
- mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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