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- From: boyken@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Karl Boyken)
- Subject: Re: PSI - summary of book review
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- In article <21JUL199211250753@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>,
- lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
-
- [my previous post deleted]
-
- > From what you've said above, I see no indication that you really have any
- > disagreement with Susan Blackmore. She accepts the reality of "psychic
- > experiences" (and has herself experienced an OBE), but she rejects the
- > paranormal explanation of such experiences. It is interesting that you
- > also bring up lucid dreams and Stephen LaBerge (deleted from the above),
- > because Blackmore's article "Lucid Dreaming: Awake in Your Sleep?"
- > (_Skeptical Inquirer_ vol. 15, no. 4, Summer 1991) is essentially a
- > very favorable look at LaBerge's work.
- >
- > Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
- > Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
- > University of Arizona
- > Tucson, AZ 85721
- >
- >
-
- But I do have a disagreement, if she rejects the paranormal explanation. The
- point of my example of lucid dreams is that for years researchers rejected the
- idea that lucid dreams were exactly what lucid dreamers said they were.
- Instead, the researchers and theorists concocted various theories that more
- closely conformed to their own model of the mind and the brain. Those who
- claimed that they actually could be conscious while dreaming were
- patronizingly told that the researchers and theorists knew more about what was
- going on in their heads than they themselves did. But lucid dreamers were
- finally vindicated, and the researchers and theorists were shown that they
- were the ones who did not know what they were talking about.
-
- So, when the same people who used to tell me that I wasn't really having
- lucid dreams also tell me that I didn't really have a paranormal experience,
- I tend not to believe them. To me, the simplest explanation is that I and
- others do know what we experience, that we do know what we're talking about.
- We don't need anyone patting us on our heads and telling us that what we
- experience is not what it seems to be, especially when the people doing the
- head patting have been wrong before about something similar.
-
- ***** _My_ views, no one else's--except those I plagiarize *****
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