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- From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
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- Subject: Re: I have a little list...
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- Date: 26 Jul 92 19:11:01 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul26.002202.8209@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
- >In article <9967@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
- >>
- >>The issue in any experimental investigation is not how big an effect
- >>you claim, but whether the effect is real and reproducible. In
- >>particular, I always look for the control of systematic errors and
- >>the significance of the signal.
- >
- > Yes. But part of whether the effect is 'real' is how close to
- > the edge of detection the effect is. My guess (actually vague
- > remembrance) is that Jones' current results would not even be
- > seen by the old equipment and that the old results would be
- > extremely substantial in the new equipment.
-
- Your vaque remembrance is accurate. The later results are many times
- more sensitive than the results reported in Nature. It should be
- remembered, however, that there were many questions about the results
- in Nature because of the high background level and the sensitivity of
- the signal to the background subtraction. Also, Jones saw nothing in
- the set up provided by Moshe Gai at Yale, which was more sensitive than
- the original experiment by a factor I do not recall, but about 3-5 I think.
-
- What is interesting here is that Jones worked to control errors and was
- not afraid to put his experiment in front of someone else's detectors.
- The result is an experiment where the effect is quite far removed from
- the limit of detection by the system ... just not too interesting.
-
- > I am always afraid of the rare event that mimics such bursts.
- > The problem with boosting signal to noise is that you make
- > more important the source of noise that you had no experience with
- > before.
-
- This is always a concern, especially in a mine, but the devices being
- used are pretty well understood. It is important to note that the
- imposition of a coincidence requirement is a very strong filter against
- random sources of background. The absence of any events with 2 or 3 or
- ... neutrons, just ones with 70 or 80 neutrons, argues against noise
- of a conventional sort. Jones was asked many questions by those
- present concerning all the things they would worry about as a possible
- source of odd events, and he had already considered them and had good
- answers. What puzzles me is why I have not seen this work published
- yet, but maybe I missed it. Dieter?
-
- --
- J. A. Carr | "The New Frontier of which I
- jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu | speak is not a set of promises
- Florida State University B-186 | -- it is a set of challenges."
- Supercomputer Computations Research Institute | John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
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