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- From: 72240.1256@compuserve.com (Jed Rothwell)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
- Subject: Oops.
- Message-ID: <920721214152_72240.1256_EHL55-1@CompuServe.COM>
- Date: 22 Jul 92 01:09:25 GMT
- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
- Reply-To: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com>
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- DB asks:
-
- "I'll be the mug: who are these HUNDREDS? Or are you plucking facts out
- of the air, Jed?"
-
- Oops, sorry. No, not the air. I am plucking it out of my database. I did
- not really mean hundreds of group leaders who have published papers, I
- meant hundreds of people tagged in places that have reported excess heat,
- who happen to have their mailing address in my computer. Like for
- example, 3 at Hokkaido, 5 or 6 at Bockris's lab., a bunch in India,
- several at NTT... The number of groups who had reported heat last year
- according to Fire from Ice (page 246, courtesy Fritz Will) was 34. There
- have been a lot since then, of course. Most are getting more heat than
- ever, a few have probably decided they did not get heat after all. This
- is an informal count, not by peer reviewed papers. And you never really
- know what is happening at places like Hitachi. They take information,
- they don't give it (not often, anyway).
-
- It was not an accurate way to express the idea, I should have said
- "hundreds of workers in dozens of labs..." or some such. There is a big
- difference between one person in a lab doing this alone, and three people
- working together. A group is much better; it is much more likely to catch
- an error or a dumb mistake.
-
-
- DB asks again: "And by the way, with your smoke screen you evaded my
- question, which I put here once again: you say McKubre is still seeing
- excess heat; do you mean he is still looking at the pre-explosion results
- and seeing the same heat, or do you mean he is doing new experiments and
- again seeing excess heat?"
-
- Not evading, just forgot. Kind of busy. Remind me if I forget. I meant
- pre-explosion results were much better than those reported at Como. Way
- better, but I have heard 50 different versions of just how much better,
- so who knows? McKubre is back from Japan and back at work now, I have
- heard. I have not spoken to him directly, lately. All work was suspended
- until the report came out. The report was delayed because of political
- problems, I believe, and also because they could not understand the cause
- of the accident. It seems to me they offer two possible causes, so
- perhaps they still don't know exactly what caused it, but I do not like
- to speculate on such matters now that a detailed report is available. If
- anyone wants to know, please call EPRI.
-
- And by the way, what is with your smokescreen? Let's hear *your* version
- of Takahashi and P&F and McKubre are off by such huge factors? Hmmm? You
- know how these experiments work, so tell me how every one of them, for
- three years, has managed to be so dreadfully wrong? I am gunna make a
- collection of these explanations for posterity: "How A Million Phycists
- Defied 150 Years of Calorimetry -- And Lived To Tell The Tale!" Not
- snappy enough?
-
- - Jed
-