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- Subject: Re: Aristotle and the Modern Physicist
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- From: mcirvin@husc10.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
- Date: 28 Jul 92 15:08:19 GMT
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- aephraim@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Aephraim M. Steinberg) writes:
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- >In article <mcirvin.712271293@husc8> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:
- >%The aftermath of a cat-box experiment probably shouldn't be
- >%called a *coherent* superposition in the modern sense of the
- >%term, but you could indeed rig one so that the quadrupole
-
- >I'm not really sure what makes you say this. Certainly, the cat alone is
- >not in a coherent superposition, nor is the radioactive nucleus, taken
- >alone, but together, they are. (Assuming they have not yet interacted
- >with anything else.)
-
- Well, I'm out of my depth here... the people who actually know
- a lot about alternative decoherent histories and such might
- be better able to explain. Yes, if you believe that the world
- is always in a pure state, and that there's no collapse, the
- outcome is a pure state as well; but it can be shown that it
- becomes exponentially difficult to measure any operator whose
- eigenstates vary appreciably from the macroscopic states
- corresponding to different outcomes of the experiment, as time
- goes on. In that sense the possibilities have "decohered,"
- although the state still has some definite amplitude for each
- macroscopic possibility (not just "cat dead" and "cat alive,"
- but including different times of death for the cat). That's
- all I know about the subject, though, and I've probably
- made a gross error somewhere in the description.
-
- [About Aharonov's time machine...]
- >Am I just confusing Aharonov with Douglas Adams, or wasn't there a way
- >of considering the rest of the universe to be "inside" the shell, while
- >you sat "outside" it, so that everything except you would evolve backwards
- >in time? Does seem to have some problems with boundary conditions, I
- >admit... but it does make for much better reading :-).
-
- Perhaps, in which case it really would act much like a time
- machine in the traditional sense. I wasn't aware of that.
-
- However, there would be one difference between this and the
- situation with, say, closed timelike lines: no causality
- paradoxes have to be resolved. Nothing prevents the forward
- evolution from going differently the second time around, by
- your intervention.
-
- --
- Matt McIrvin mcirvin@husc.harvard.edu
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