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- From: platt@watson.ibm.com (Daniel E. Platt)
- Subject: Re: How much does fog dampen sound?
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- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:30:24 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul21.021346.18215@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>, ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig) writes:
- |> Wandering around in the fog recently, I wondered wether the apparent
- |> dampening of sound was just imagination, because of different visual
- |> aspects, or real.
- |>
- |> I've got a mechanism for the dampening: As sound waves move past water
- |> droplets, the sound - induced speed difference between the droplets
- |> and the air means there is a resulting force on the droplets because
- |> of drag effects; they also move a bit, therefore there is energy
- |> dissipation.
-
- I have one BIG hint for you: Water droplets are much smaller than
- audible sound waves. This would be true for very large raindrops much
- less fog droplets.
-
- |>
- |> Influences would be the concentration of liquid water in the air,
- |> drop size distribution and sound frequency (plus the whole range of
- |> physical properties of the two substances involved, which depend
- |> on temperature and pressure).
- |>
-
- The density of air will be a bit smaller with the water vapor in it. The
- isentropic compressibility (Bulk modulus) will be somewhat different since
- pressure waves are now participating in the equilibrium between water
- droplets and water vapor in the air (nucleation, water droplet growth and
- shrinking as the wave goes through)(?). The droplets suspended in the air
- are coupled to the air's motion (F=ma where F = a exp(i*omega*t), m = mass
- of droplet, F involves coupling between air velocity field and water
- droplet).
-
- My guess is the mechanics would be the biggest contributor (droplet growth
- given pressure waves wouldn't be a big contributor).
-
- |> Has anybody ever checked this effect?
- |> Is it really large enough to be noticable?
- |> Failing that, does anyone have numbers on fog drop size distribution
- |> so I could do the calculations myself?
- |> --
- |> Thomas Koenig, ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
- |> The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
- |> diagram.
-
- Dan
-