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- From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Twin Paradox
- Date: 23 Jul 1992 00:36:28 GMT
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- metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes:
-
- > Ignore T2. As T1 travels from Earth to AC, he ages 7 months in his
- >inertial frame, while people on Earth and AC are aging 4 years in their
- >inertial frame. Why isn't T1 just as entitled to say that he stood still
- >while Earth and AC passed by him at 0.99 c; and therefore Earth and AC should
- >have aged less than T1 between these two events?
-
- This is your basic simultaneity problem. What do you mean "while people
- on Earth and AC are aging 4 years in their frame"? Between when and when?
- Between the time of an event here and the time of an event over there.
- But the time of a event over there is poorly defined. The person on T1,
- on the other hand, is measuring the well defined time between two local
- events. There is no symmetry between what you are having T1 measure
- and what you are having Earth and AC measure, so you can't expect a
- symmetrical result. Adding T2 does not add symmetry unless you allow
- for the proper length of all sides of the parallelogram defined by their
- world lines to be the same length and you only measure the proper times
- between well defined events. That symmetry only comes about if T1 and T2
- are separated by 4 light years *in their own frame* just as Earth and AC
- are separated by 4 years *in their own frame*. And once you really do
- make the problem completely symmetrical, everybody ages the same amount
- (7 months) between encounters with the 2 travelers in the other frame.
- You are expecting symmetry to still exist after explicitly breaking the
- symmetry by insisting on making one branch of the parallelogram be 4
- years long or by insisting on measuring times between local events on
- the one hand and time observed in a particular global coordinate system
- between a local event and a remote event.
-
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