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- From: matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
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- Subject: Re: Converting the masses
- Date: 22 Jul 92 14:23:45
- Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
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- In-reply-to: palmer@sfu.ca's message of 22 Jul 92 19:38:37 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul22.193837.18095@sfu.ca> palmer@sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer) writes:
-
- > "Mass" as you use it
- > is equal to neither inertial nor gravitational mass as those terms apply to
- > any system more complicated than a particle at rest!
-
- There is, however, *nothing* which is equal to either inertial or
- gravitational mass for a relativistic body.
-
- That is: I define the inertial mass of a body as the "m" appearing in
- the equation
- F = m a, (1)
- and I define the gravitational mass of a body as the "m" appearing
- in the equation
- F = G m M / r^2. (2)
- I believe that these definitions are customary; I don't know what
- other meaning could be attached to the phrases "inertial mass" or
- "gravitational mass."
-
- Both of these equations are true in nonrelativistic physics, and
- neither equation is true in relativistic physics, no matter how "m" is
- defined. Relativistic gravity, in particular (i.e., general
- relativity) is much more complicated than Eq. (2) would suggest.
-
- Note that this fact has been known since the earliest days of
- relativistic physics. Around the turn of the century, some physicists
- used to write Eq. (1) using two different "masses," the "longitudinal
- mass" and the "transverse mass," which differ by a factor of gamma.
- For reasons that I do not understand, one of those "masses" was
- subsequently called the "relativistic mass," and the other one was
- dropped from the discussion.
- --
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