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- From: lee@wang.com (Lee Story)
- Subject: Re: A Brief History of Tripe
- Organization: Wang Laboratories, Inc.
- Date: 22 Jul 92 16:18:52
- Message-ID: <LEE.92Jul22161852@meercat.wang.com>
- In-Reply-To: snodgras@crash.cts.com's message of Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:41:43 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul21.194143.25575@crash.cts.com> snodgras@crash.cts.com (John Snodgrass) writes:
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- Hawking is what he is, as we all are. Everyone is crippled in some
- way, if you choose to look at it like that. My bone to pick with Hawking,
- and with the ideas he is a proponent of, is not because he's 'a cripple',
- though as I said, I feel his particular disability is too rich a metaphor
- with what is wrong with the new physics to pass up. That's all. I think the
- whole subjectivist movement is the disolution of science into pathos.
-
- This is the most technical of the regular philosophy newsgroups, and
- as such I would think that John Snodgrass would either present his
- specific objections to some of Hawking's ideas or theories, or would
- move the diatribe to talk.religion.misc or alt.flame. That is not at
- all to say that recent cosmological theories are without fault, or
- that their hidden assumptions (philosophy, pre-rational choices,
- intuitive fundamentals) are without error. It's simply impossible to
- understand from his posts what Snodgrass considers the errors to be,
- except that he apparently dislikes the tendency to proceed from a
- basis of subjectivism (which, for once, both Merriam and more
- specialized dictionaries roughly agree on: "theory that limits knowledge
- to conscious states and elements..." or "theory that stresses the
- subjective elements...").
-
- Some of my favorite examples of questionable parts of the recent
- philosophy-of-physics: The specific subcult (for lack of a better
- word) of the Copenhagen interpretation of QM which insists on the
- relevance of conscious observation seems, because of its probable
- circularity, rather suspect to me. On the other hand, those theories
- which account for the surprising presence of life on Earth, and its
- apparent absence elsewhere within our telescopes' reach, by arguments
- about us being observers in an observer-poor universe (anthropic
- principles) seem alright despite their surface circularity. If the
- claims which Snodgrass dislikes involve more technical matters than
- these, I'm certainly willing to stick my nose in MT&W and improve my
- weak background in gravitation and cosmology---and there are other
- readers here who, I feel sure, are prepared without any such
- refresher.
-
- So how about some light in place of all this smoke?
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- Lee Story (lee@wang.com) Wang Laboratories, Inc.
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