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- From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
- Newsgroups: sci.med
- Subject: Re: Questions for MDs
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- Date: 31 Jul 92 20:20:06 GMT
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- In article <15910@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
- >In article <55409@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
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- >>>Herman and others reflect this misunderstanding that in a few minutes
- >>>the physician can bring the patient up to an level of an expert in
- >>>making medical decisions. In the time available, all that could
- >>>be done would be to spew out some meaningless statistics which would
- >>>more likely scare the patient into doing nothing.
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- >>You have never seen such a statement from me. There is a major difference
- >>between emergency situations and those where time is available.
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- >The time needed to satisfy your criteria would never be available.
- >It would take many hours to cover sufficiently in many cases.
- >Who is paying for all this time? What about all the other patients
- >that the doctor has to see?
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- Part of the procedure involved can be done by non-physicians. I believe
- that some hospitals have staff people, not physicians, who try to make
- sure that the patients understand what they are signing.
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- Not everything has to be done in the presence of the physician. Most
- people are capable of reading. I suspect that the physicians are not
- themselves used to these quantitative considerations, and therefore
- are not prepared to present and discuss them with the patients. One
- of the things that one learns in statistics is that far too often
- intuition does not even approximately get the right answers. How
- concerned are medical investigators even about Simpson's Paradox?
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- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
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