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- From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
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- Subject: Re: FDA still at large (long)
- Keywords: FDA, unconstitutional illegal action,single-issue blindness
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- Date: 27 Jul 92 16:08:55 GMT
- References: <1992Jul23.164209.16428@intelhf.hf.intel.com> <1992Jul26.185412.24583@klic.rain.com> <1992Jul26.223039.8824@intelhf.hf.intel.com>
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- In article <1992Jul26.223039.8824@intelhf.hf.intel.com> hutch@hutch (Stephen Hutchison) writes:
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- ............................
-
- >The charter of the FDA is not to go after "unconventional", it is to prevent
- >fraud in medicine (except for those few which were protected by "grandfather
- >clauses": homeopathy and chiropractic among them), and to ensure that what
- >gets sold as food, is actually nutritious and not harmful.
-
- >They developed some regulations for ensuring the first, which need to be
- >overhauled but are generally worthwhile. They did the same for foods.
- >They don't officially care about "long term harm" unless there is some
- >evidence that there is some. They aren't allowed to care about alcohol
- >or tobacco, by law.
-
- The way to prevent fraud is to prosecute fraud. This does not mean to
- prosecute non-fraudulent statements with which you do not agree. The
- people in the FDA have taken the attitude that if a claim is not proven
- to their satisfaction it is fraudulent. Some of their people may even
- believe this; in that case, they should be at least totally removed from
- any position of authority, and I would not object to removing them from
- citizenship.
-
- Now such a claim may or may not be correct. But the FDA will use almost
- any excuse to block something of which they personally do not approve.
-
- ...................
-
- >This is irrelevant. The FDA would have stopped the fruitjuice fraud clinic
- >from operating if they had the ability to do so, but as you say, they're
- >in Mexico. The parent corporation, however, is located in the USA.
-
- If the guys making the fruitjuice claims withheld a single item of adverse
- information, they should be liable. If not, NO.
-
- >>If the populace has become so irresponsible that they can't properly
- >>make those judgement calls any more, nothing is solved by taking a
- >>fraction of them and giving them decision making powers over the rest.
- >>Instead, you find out why the education process is turning out such
- >>irresponsible people, and slowly, painfully, and wisely remediate that.
-
- The educational system is long gone. Look at the discussion on
- misc.education.
-
- >Oh come on, Keith. This is the "populace" which elected a B movie actor
- >who had not completed high school, to the office of President.
-
- It is your judgment that he was a B movie actor. As a professor who
- believes in education, I do not care whether or not he completed high
- school; that is totally irrelevant. These people who look at grades
- and degrees are a good part of the problem. The medical schools do
- this to too much of an extent.
-
- .....................
-
- >>Most laws are attempted shortcuts by people too lazy to use their freedom of
- >>speech to educate their neighbors, or too stupid to learn from them.
-
- No, they are a belief that those who claim to have all the answers know what
- to do in all circumstances. Those who wish to limit human activities are
- the problem, not part of the solution.
-
- ........................
-
- >>Freedom inspires martyrdom on the the part of those who love it. You may
- >>not understand why others are willing to take arms and die if necessary to
- >>preserve the freedom to do things you dislike, but please remember that we
- >>are out there, and we can be pushed too far.
-
- >Actually, I DO understand that. However, I think that there are places
- >where it is appropriate to limit peoples' actions, and when those actions
- >are harmful to others, it is very appropriate. Medical fraud is harmful.
-
- Then put in huge civil financial penalties for medical fraud. Someone
- committing fraud will think twice if s/he may have to work for the rest
- of his/her life to attempt compensation. Get rid of these jail sentences
- and make the miscreants pay in the coin of the realm.
-
- But those who make full disclosure should not be liable, whether or not
- they are correct. Those who want something like the FDA to direct their
- medicine, and who would rely on their assurance, should not be voters.
- --
- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
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