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- From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
- Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.drugs,pnw.general
- Subject: government still at large (was Re: FDA still at large)
- Summary: US out of North America!
- Keywords: FDA, unconstitutional illegal action,single-issue blindness
- Message-ID: <1992Jul23.185038.3415@eskimo.celestial.com>
- Date: 23 Jul 92 18:50:38 GMT
- Article-I.D.: eskimo.1992Jul23.185038.3415
- References: <1992Jul20.083253.5554@eskimo.celestial.com> <1992Jul20.164848.14435@eskimo.celestial.com> <1992Jul23.081405.3582@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
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- In article <1992Jul23.081405.3582@cbnewse.cb.att.com> doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes:
- [...]
- >We want to take the guns away from most of the government. In the case at
- >hand, that means that the FDA would be welcome to test and approve all the
- >drugs, foods, food additives, etcetera that it wants. But if your doctor,
- >Consumer's Reports, or even just lowly, stupid old you decide that something
- >would be good for you, the government can't send men with guns to tell you you
- >can't have it.
-
- I have no problem with the existence of lots of gov't agencies, if they
- had their coercive teeth removed. In the libertarian/anarchist ecotopia
- of the future, lots of things will be accomplished by voluntary or pro
- bono groups that continue to exist because people find their work useful.
- And if it's something that won't get done because not enough people would
- support it, it's an indicator that that thing is not worth doing, and
- we could get along without it.
-
- [...]
-
- >The Libertarian Party is the country's fastest growing political party. We
- >are further along in our push for 50 state ballot access this year than Perot
- >was when he backed out of his little challenge. And it's the only chance I
- >see of addressing the whole problem. Not that it's perfect, or that I agree
- >with the party 100% on all issues.
-
- My problems with the LP stem from their child-like faith in things like
- the so-called "free market" (which seems to be a code word for the existence
- of the necessary preconditions for seizing private *control* of the market),
- courts and the police [which apparently if the LP got in power would remain
- intact, but simply sew on Wackenhut patches on their robes/uniforms].
-
- Can you say...private army? warlord? feudalism? I don't want to trade
- publicly supported thugs for private thugs, who, if they don't beat me
- to death, can bill me to death.
-
- I am also disturbed by the apparent sacredness of "private property"
- and its accumulative aspects. A lot of LP types appear to have a naked
- desire to control a lot of property, or to "get rich", or to "be powerful".
-
- Somehow structures would have to evolve that function as checks and balances
- on race conditions ("race condition" is control theory jargon for "inherently
- unstable state". It has nothing to do with blacks, etc.). For example,
- perhaps giving currency a half-life property that would preclude the
- usefulness of unlimited accumulation. Interest is another thing that could
- bear close scrutiny. I have always had problems with the self-replication of
- money under certain conditions (but not others) (really, the *opposite* of
- the half-life property) where no toil or energy is expended.
-
- Could some symbolic representation of value be invented that would have
- desireable properties but would preclude absurdities of magnitude such as the
- "national debt" or Bill Gate's "fortune"? (I hope some innovative ideas come
- out of this without forcing me to go out and suffer thru Ayn Rand's novels,
- or slog thru the Accumulated Dry Works of Friedrich von Hayek, in order to
- understand said ideas -- both are *consummately* *boring*!!!).
-
- Another thing I've never liked is the concept and apparent necessity of having
- to sell one's toil/time or the best part of one's life to others in order to
- stay alive (or the other leg of the so-called "free choice": starve), an
- inherently irreversible transaction. In other words, "work sucks".
-
- I would have no problem if I could simply, whenever the need arose, quickly,
- and with a minimum of hassle, make a mutually agreeable win/win deal with
- somebody else to satisfy a need of theirs for their satisfying a need of mine.
- How this could be done without a "system" springing up, I have no idea.
- One thing is for certain -- I don't trust "systems".
-
- Hope the foregoing makes sense to somebody.
- --
- kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
-