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- From: tgee@alfred.carleton.ca (Travis Gee)
- Subject: Re: "trends" and others
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- Organization: Carleton University
- References: <1992Jul21.164831.6412@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:24:09 GMT
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- In <1992Jul21.164831.6412@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> duncan@loris.cisab.indiana.edu (Shan Duncan) writes:
- >I would like to know how people feel about using such words as "trend".
- >For example:
-
- >When I see the statement:
- > The data demonstrates a trend towards [fill in the blank], but this
- > relationship was not significant.
- >Technically this is correct. In other words I have been told by someone
- >that you can state a direction (i.e. less, more, greater whatever) as a trend
- >as long as you state if it is significant or not. Yet at times I read this
- >as being "hopeful".
-
- Yes, it is being hopeful, and those hopes should be augmented by a
- proper power analysis. If the trend is there, but they only had a 15%
- chance of detecting an effect of size [f.i.t.b.] given their N and alpha,
- then that should be a red flag indicating that replication is needed
- with a more adequate sample.
-
- > I have seen this type of statement used when the person
- >writing the article wants to have the trend in that direction, but they did
- >not achive statistical significance.
-
- Statistical signficance is a mode of rhetoric which we adopt, and which
- reflects our willingness to risk Type I error. If the poor sap set his
- alpha at .001, and got .004, then I'd gladly undertake a replication which
- set more realistic risk-limits on the basis of his 'trend'. But if he
- set it at .10, with 99% power, I'd tell him to jump in the lake if he
- asked for funding.
-
- >I have also seen statements such as: There was a greater response to
- >[again fill in the blank] but this was not significant.
-
- >I am more comfortable with the former rather than the latter.
-
- Me too..."trend" is sufficiently vague without being provocative.
-
- >So what are the rules of thumb in cases such as these?
-
- Stay with an alpha that is commonly accepted in the literature of
- [f.i.t.b.] and accompany statements of trend with a calculation of
- 1-Beta, so the reader can better judge what's happening. If somebody
- talks about a trend without it, calculate it if you can before passing
- too much judgement.
-
-