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- From: rose@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (Kermit Rose)
- Newsgroups: sci.math
- Subject: Re: Stupid question about FLT
- Message-ID: <1992Jul18.234157.4887@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
- Date: 23 Jul 92 18:14:46 GMT
- References: <1992Jul17.023246.7915@galois.mit.edu> <BrJtH1.24x@cs.psu.edu> <1992Jul18.005818.8468@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <1992Jul18.212618.15509@mixcom.com>
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- In article <1992Jul18.212618.15509@mixcom.com>, ttyytt@mixcom.com (Adam Costello) writes...
- >In article <1992Jul18.005818.8468@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan) writes:
- >>The mistake is this:
- >>
- >>"True in all models is the same as provable. That's the completeness theorem."
- >>
- >>There isn't a completeness theorem for any of the systems M that anyone uses.
- >>So FLT might be true in all models but not provable.
- >
- >That was no mistake. There is a completeness theorem. A sentence is
- >provable from M iff it is true in all models of M. The problem here is
- >that FLT is a theorem about the natural numbers, and there is no first-
- >order axiomatization M of the natural numbers. Any recursive set of
- >axioms in a first-order language that purports to describe the natural
- >numbers will always admit some models which aren't exactly like the
- >natural numbers.
- >
- >In particular, there are always models containing natural numbers which
- >are not represented by any terms of the language. In such a model FLT
- >might be false and still not disprovable because there would be no way to
- >cite the counterexample.
- >
- >AMC
-
- How does this relate to the proof that the integral domain represented by
- the integers is categorical? I had understood that this meant that any
- model that satisfied the given axioms was isomorphic to the integers. Is
- not the natural numbers isomorphic to a proper subset of this categorical
- system?
-
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