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- Subject: Re: You know, the integers (was: Re: Stupid quest
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- From: wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor)
- Date: 23 Jul 92 18:05:31 +1200
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- > > >"You know, THE SETS."
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- |> > More precisely, the cumulative hierarchy of sets.
- |> > Set theory is a different matter: even today we can point to Zermelo's
- |> > "Ueber Grenzzahlen und Mengenbereiche" as a presentation unequaled in
- |> > clarity of the cumulative hierarchy of sets as a model of ZFC.
- |>
- |> I find the cumulative hierarch of sets very *unclear*
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- I would partly agree - the cumulative hierarchy is beautifully clear as far
- as its LENGTH goes, the backbone of ordinals. (At least provided you dont go
- as far as an inaccessible, "whatever that is".)
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- But the cumulative hierarchy isn't quite so magnificently clear when it comes
- to WIDTH; just how many sets are added in at each stage. That's the area
- where a lot of fuzzy disagreement occurs between platonist set theorists.
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- Come to think of it; if you don't fully believe ax.choice is "really" true
- for "actual" sets, then maybe the length of the hierarchy isn't all
- that clear either, beyond the first nonconstructive ordinal.......
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