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- Subject: Re: Chomsky's "Minimalist" paper
- Message-ID: <1992Jul29.160249.14294@husc3.harvard.edu>
- From: zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
- Date: 29 Jul 92 16:02:48 EDT
- References: <SCHILLER.92Jul22162611@tira.uchicago.edu> <1992Jul23.113534.4232@athena.mit.edu> <36538@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>
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- In article <36538@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>
- djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
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- >In article <1992Jul23.113534.4232@athena.mit.edu>
- >pesetsk@athena.mit.edu (David M Pesetsky) writes:
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- DMP:
- >>nam est'
-
- Wrong case. Try "u nas est' komu pomoch' yemu"
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- >>mnye (bylo) pomoch' yemu
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- Nonsense. The ellipsis is not allowable; in any case, it should have
- been "mnye nado/nuzhno bylo pomoch' yemu"
-
- >>me-DAT was-NEUT help-infin him-DAT
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- me-DAT need was-NEUT help-infin him-DAT
-
- >>`I had to help him/I was supposed to help him`
- >>
- >> [...]
- >>
- >>There are more interesting cases, like (cf. Gil Rappaport, Russian
- >>Linguistics circa 1986):
- >>
- >>nam est' komu pomoch' yemu
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- "u nas est' komu pomoch' yemu"
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- Where do you get these experts?
-
- DAJ:
- >Here's one I ran into on soc.culture.soviet a couple of months ago:
- >
- > v Kieve ix bylo polno
- > in Kiev them-GEN was-NEUT/SING full-NEUT/SING
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- Wrong case (same spelling):
- in Kiev them-ACC was-NEUT/SING many
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- Attention: "p\'olno" = "full"; "poln\'o" = "many".
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- > 'Kiev was full of them (Russians, as I remember)'
- >
- >David Johns
-
- regards,
- mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- who has the authority of a native speaker
-