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- From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
- Subject: Re: Different Transit Plans for Different Population Clusters
- In-Reply-To: jym@remarque.berkeley.edu's message of 24 Jul 1992 16:37:46 GMT
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- Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
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- Date: 24 Jul 92 15:05:18
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- In article <Jym.24Jul1992.9am6@naughty-peahen.org> jym@remarque.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
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- >> In Boston (with 1/4-decent public transport system) people
- >> can get along fine without a car if they are near a T line.
- >> If not, they need a car.
- > But, of course, if the population density is somewhat lower,
- > mass transit doesn't work nearly as well.
-
- =o= You speak of "mass transit" as if it's all the same.
- Different types of mass transit serve different needs. Think
- of the _status_quo_, for example: big roads for heavily-
- travelled routes and smaller roads for lightly-travelled routes.
-
- =o= It's not hard to apply this to, say, heavy- and light-rail
- passenger trains. The better mass transit systems follow this
- approach. The best one I've been on was in Munich, which let me
- get almost anywhere I wanted to in Bavaria -- especially if I
- brought a bicycle along.
-
- =o= The system in Boston isn't that bad. Heavy rail commuter
- trains supplanted the highway spurs in and out of the city.
- A not-quite-light-rail system handled the higher population
- density within the city. The outlying towns usually only had
- buses, which are of course not so great -- but a series of
- light rail lines would make the system almost ideal.
- <_Jym_>
-
- I spent Fall 1991 at Harvard living in Brookline. For a long time,
- Harvard bureaucrats wouldn't let me buy $4 per day parking stickers
- for a convenient lot. For most of this time I took a bus. Not
- bad as buses go. I had to walk to Cleveland Circle from where I
- lived and walk from Harvard Square to the Aiken Center. The
- alternative was commercial parking at $12 per day which wasn't
- always available or parking in Somerville which wasn't always
- available. When Harvard relented and sold me the parking stickers,
- I switched entirely to driving.
-
- I am supposing that my reactions are typical of someone of my age
- and level of athleticism and environmentalism (very low).
- If you want to get people to take public transportation, you have
- to do better than that. Note that I had no children with me
- and rarely had much to carry.
- --
- John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
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- He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
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