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- Subject: Re: Whale rights - Science and sentimen
- Message-ID: <1992Jul24.191630.12376@reed.edu>
- Date: 24 Jul 92 19:16:30 GMT
- Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul24.191630.12376
- References: <1992Jul23.092233.8083@alf.uib.no> <BruM2H.4LD@apollo.hp.com> <MAGNUS.92Jul24093918@is19e0s00.jaist-east.ac.jp>
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- In article <MAGNUS.92Jul24093918@is19e0s00.jaist-east.ac.jp> magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson) writes:
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- > "David Gaskin made a thorough review of all the evidence for social
- >evolution, communication and intelligence among cetaceans. He concluded
- >that observations of free-living animals at the time did not support
- >the idea that they have a complicated social life. He says there is
- >"little evidence of behavioural complexity beyond that of a herd of cows
- >or deer".
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- Are you sure this wasn't a study of humans at a sporting event?
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- Certain categories of human beings, such as infants and mentally retarded
- people, routinely fall below apes and whales in levels of intelligence, self-
- awareness, language-ability, use of ideas, etc. Does it, therefore,
- follow that it is okay to eat or experiment with these people? (I do
- NOT propose this as a rhetorical question.) Membership in any
- particular biological species is NOT morally significant: if some
- criteria, such as lack of certain mental properties, justifies a
- particular treatment of whales, dogs, chimps, it also justifies that
- treatment of humans. We're just another species.
-
- Additionally, we should be wary of using as criteria for intelligence just
- the properties which we think render us intelligent. "Intelligent"
- does not necessarily mean "just like us." Simpler social structures than ours,
- or even simpler languages, do not necessarily equate to less intelligence
- than ours. To large extent, the supposed complexity of our social structures
- can be attributed to environmental factors such as over-population. There
- have been in history many groups of people with extremely simple social
- structures.
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- Liberate the Weirdoes and You Liberate the Squares
-