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- From: SCHLOERER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Jan Schloerer)
- Subject: Re: Lawyer's science vs. unbiased presentation of the facts
- In-Reply-To: rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu's message of Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:22:58 GMT
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- In <1992Jul22.202258.14769@midway.uchicago.edu>
- rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert) writes :
-
- > Does anybody know if there is any historical precedent for a 4-5 degree
- > WARMING in a period of less than 1000 years? Especially for a warming
- > of global mean temperatures (Y[ounger] D[ryas] was a cooling of
- > (I think) about this magnitude, but it is supposed to have been
- > pretty localized).
-
-
- It appears that for the past 150,000 years or so the answer is "no",
- and that for earlier periods the answer is not (yet?) precisely known.
- Sources at the bottom, corrections and amendments welcome.
-
- The warming preceding the Eem interglacial, roughly 130 000 years before
- present, may have been a bit swifter than the warming starting roughly
- 15 000 years before present, after the most recent ice age (Breuer fig.
- 2b, Crowley fig. 2 & 3). The Antarctic Vostok core indicates a Pre-Eem
- warming rate of about 2 oC / 1000 years for about 5000 years, a Southern
- Ocean sea surface temperature record (Crowley fig.2) indicates a Pre-Eem
- warming rate of roughly 1.5 oC / 1000 years for about the same time span.
- (The global warming rate may have been a bit different.)
-
- Breuer reports from the Dahlem Workshop that the absolute amounts of
- earlier temperature changes, in particular those before the pleistocene
- ice ages (roughly the last 1.6 million years) are not precisely known.
-
- Breuer also reports that after the Younger Dryas cold spell, about
- 10 000 years before present, average temperatures, at least for the
- Northern Hemisphere, increased by roughly 2 oC. Greenland ice cores
- seem to indicate a warming of ~7 oC within a 50-year period after the
- Younger Dryas (Lehman & Keigwin); this extreme 'jump' was most likely
- a regional and not a global phenomenon.
-
- Both Breuer and Crowley stress that paleoclimate studies, while helpful
- in understanding the climate system, are not likely to provide valid
- analogies to the present situation. No fully analogous situation is
- known in the geologic record. Continents have drifted, mountain ranges
- like Himalaya or Rocky Mountains have formed, the Isthmus of Panama
- has closed roughly 3 million years ago, ocean circulation has changed,
- and the warmest interglacial, the Eem, seems to have been only 1 to 2 oC
- warmer than the modern climate. "If the climate does change in the
- future, it is likely to result in a climate state for which there may be
- no geologic analog, that is, it may be a unique climate realization
- in earth history." (Crowley, p. 43).
-
-
- ... whether anthropogenic global warming is the fastest change
- the world has ever seen doesn't matter; only whether it is
- a change that is too fast for *us* to adjust to
- without significant disruption ...
-
- men@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Matthew Newman)
- in <1992Jul21.170734.28363@colorado.edu>
-
-
- Sources :
-
- Breuer, Georg, Weltweite Erwaermung - Einst und Jetzt,
- Wissenschaft und Fortschritt 42, 3 (March 1992), 116-120.
- Conference report to appear, according to Breuer: Eddy, J.A. &
- H. Oeschger (eds): Global Changes in the Perspective of the Past
- (66th Dahlem Workshop), Wiley & Sons, Chichester, UK
- Crowley, Thomas J., Utilization of paleoclimate results to validate
- projections of a future greenhouse warming. In M.E.Schlesinger
- (ed.), Greenhouse-gas-induced climatic change: a critical
- appraisal of simulations and observations,
- Elsevier, Amsterdam 1991, pp. 35-45.
- Lehman, Scott J. & Lloyd D. Keigwin, Sudden changes in
- North Atlantic circulation during the last deglaciation.
- Nature 356 (30 April 1992), 757-762.
-
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- Jan Schloerer Internet: schloerer@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de
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