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- Organization: Penn State University
- Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 10:40:31 EDT
- From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Message-ID: <92207.104031DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Newsgroups: sci.econ
- Subject: Re: Social Security and Taxes
- References: <9207250404.AA06683@public.BTR.COM>
- Lines: 52
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- In article <9207250404.AA06683@public.BTR.COM>, timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee
- timlee@btr.com) says:
-
- Earlier posts deleted...
-
- >You have done your taxes recently, haven't you?
-
- Yes, of course I have. Your point is that we should completely revise our
- entire Social Security system, because it's difficult to fill out a 1040?
- Excuse me, but I think that's a lousy reason to make public policy.
-
- >I'd think that most people would be very much inclined to replace
- >the current system with one that is much easier to understand and
- >eliminates many problems.
-
- maybe you mean to say "eliminates many EXISTING problems, WHILE CREATING
- A WHOLE HOST OF NEW ONES FOR US TO SOLVE." ?
-
-
- >
- >Then what modifications would you propose on the current tax and
- >welfare system? Consider the problems:
-
- I see no reason why you insist that tax simplification, a worthy goal,
- must be tied into a revamping of the Social Security system. Minor
- changes in the current Social Security system, which I noted in an
- earlier post, would remove most to the problems you note.
-
- >* difficulty to understand (both for individuals, and employers
- > who must go through large bureaucratic expenses to deal with
- > withholding and such)
- >* multiple tax assessments (which, when combined, create various
- > unintended effects)
- >* hidden tax rates and bubbles
- >* work disincentives for people on welfare
- >
- >As an example, a single person who makes all his/her income from
- >wages/salaries/tips and takes the standard deduction pays his/her highest
- >marginal national income tax rate (35.65%) on the income from $23400
- >to $53400. For married joint filers with two children under the same
- >assumptions, there is a bubble of 34.6% at $14300 to $21250; just below
- >that range, the rate is 19.6%, while just above, it is 22.65%. Does
- >it make sense? Also, try understanding the deduction phase-out
- >bubble at $100000... if the government wants to levy extra tax on
- >the upper middle / upper class, why doesn't it at least do so in an
- >obvious, easy to understand way?
- >
- Dennis G. Shea, Penn State <<USUAL DISCLAIMER>>
- "I believe that there is social and psychological justification
- for significant inequalities of incomes and wealth....But it
- is not necessary....that the game should be played for such
- high stakes as at present." John Maynard Keynes
-