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- From: timlee@public.btr.com
- Newsgroups: sci.econ
- Subject: Re: Social Security, Pension plans, and Ending the national debt
- Message-ID: <7496@public.BTR.COM>
- Date: 22 Jul 92 05:16:46 GMT
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- DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
- |In article <7482@public.BTR.COM>, timlee@public.btr.com says:
- |>[rich get more SS than the poor]
- |There are two main reasons why I don't find that wasteful. First, any
- |examination of successful public policy to reduce poverty will find that
- |universal benefit programs, which don't waste dollars on administrative
- |programs to means-test, are much more successful at reducing poverty. The
-
- Ok. I don't dispute that. But perhaps a more important reason for
- universal type benefits is to eliminate the high marginal tax rate
- bubbles that discourage people on welfare from working. Note that
- Social Security has this problem as well as other welfare programs.
-
- | While this doesn't justify
- |higher payments to the well-off, it does justify universal benefit
- |programs.
- |
- |The second reason is political. It's a political buy-off to get the
- |people to support a program which re-distributes income.
-
- In other words, you support wasting anti-poverty money by giving
- more to the rich instead of a fixed benefit just because of
- possible political effects.
-
- |>Suppose you could redesign Social Security, other welfare programs,
- |>and the tax system from the clean sheet. What would you do?
- |
- |Sorry, but I don't engage in fictional what-ifs. There are no clean
- |sheets; they've already been wet. In articles I've authored I have urged
- |increases in the maximum earnings upon which the tax is levied, increases
- |in SSI, as opposed to Social Security beenfits, reduced benefits/COLAS for
- |the wealthy, and other minor adjustments in the current system.
-
- Such changes won't fix the structural problems in a welfare and tax
- system that is basically a kludge with many unintended effects.
-
- Instead of Social Security, other welfare, and the current tax system,
- why not:
-
- 1. A flat tax rate. Computing income would still be the complicated
- part, but guessing wage withholding and estimated taxes would be easier.
- No type of income would be treated to a special tax like a payroll tax.
- (If you really want to argue that the rich should pay a higher rate,
- then imagine a higher rate near the top of the income scale; it
- doesn't really affect the argument presented here.)
-
- 2. A standard credit (not deduction). If this makes taxes negative,
- it becomes a welfare / Social Security payment.
-
- The above scheme would eliminate the disincentive that people on
- welfare face when they consider working (loss of welfare combined
- with taxes can create an effective marginal tax rate of close to
- 100% in some cases). It would also make all deductions usable by
- all people. It would eliminate the adminstrative costs of means
- testing, and also eliminate the waste of giving richer people more
- benefits. It would eliminate the current regressive payroll tax.
- By combining everything into one tax, applied to all income, it
- would give a clearer picture of how much taxes there are.
-
-