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- From: brnstnd@nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein)
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt
- Subject: Re: New record non-networked factorization of difficult number
- Message-ID: <25367.Jul2504.27.2692@virtualnews.nyu.edu>
- Date: 25 Jul 92 04:27:26 GMT
- References: <26250.Jul2400.28.0492@virtualnews.nyu.edu> <BrwFFH.CAt@cs.psu.edu> <1992Jul25.004256.4641@linus.mitre.org>
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- In article <1992Jul25.004256.4641@linus.mitre.org> bs@faron.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
- > The reason they were able to factor a 145 digit number
-
- (2^488 + 1)/257 had 146 digits, last I counted.
-
- > A general number of 145 digits will yield
- > a polynomial with coefficients around 23-24 digits --> a BIG difference.
-
- Take any 150-digit number n. Now try to find positive integers m and m',
- together with six coefficients c_0 through c_5, such that n = c_0 m'^5 +
- c_1 m'^4 m + ... + c_5 m^5. We could of course choose m around 25
- digits, and m' = 1, and write n in base m, giving coefficients around 25
- digits. This is where Bob gets his estimates.
-
- If you choose all eight of these parameters up to 25 digits then you get
- about 200 digits to play with---and n has only 150 digits. So we should
- in theory (modulo some plausible heuristics) be able to chop those extra
- 50 digits out of the c's, ending up with 25 - 50/6 < 17 digits per c for
- some pair (m,m').
-
- Exercise for the reader (yes, kids, you can try this at home!): Can you
- compute m and m' for RSA-150 so that the c_i are smaller than ``23-24
- digits''? Can you beat Bob's best polynomial? Hint: Brute force.
-
- Now can you compute m and m' so that the c_i are under 20 digits?
-
- > The speed of the method strongly depends on the size of these coefficients.
-
- This is true.
-
- > My estimates show that the Number Field Sieve becomes faster than the
- > quadratic sieve for general integers somewhere between 135 and 140 digits.
-
- Ah, yes, and didn't Adleman's estimates a year ago ``show'' that GNFS
- would probably be slower than MPQS around 330 digits?
-
- ---Dan
-