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- From: bsb2u@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Brian Samuel Bevins)
- Subject: Is suspension necessary?
- Message-ID: <1992Jul22.204459.8563@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
- Originator: bsb2u@helga7.acc.Virginia.EDU
- Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
- Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:44:59 GMT
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-
- I am relatively new to the subject of cryonics, but I have been
- following this newsgroup trying to understand some of the arguments
- both pro and con cryonic suspension. As I have gathered so far, the
- cryonicist scenario (perhaps oversimplified) runs something like
- this. Upon "death" (in the normal sense of current medical
- technology) the individual is placed in a frozen suspension for an
- indefinite period of time. Care of the body during this time is
- provided by an organization (Is Alcor the only one?) with a
- contractual obligation to maintain that care indefinitely. This care
- is paid for by a lump sum that draws interest over time sufficient
- to cover the organization's costs. The body is kept frozen until
- medical technology has advanced sufficiently to revive the suspended
- individual and cure their original ailments, injuries, etc. Once the
- technology reaches that point, the organization is contractually bound
- to revive the patient and provide the necessary medical care.
-
- The assumption seems to be that technology keeps advancing, so if
- you wait long enough we'll eventually be able to cure anything. It
- may take centuries or even millenia, but it will eventually happen.
- The future world into which the suspendees will awake is assumed to
- be one of enormous material prosperity brought about by other
- technological advances (e.g. nanotechnology). Another common
- assumption seems to be that travel to other inhabitable planets
- will be not only possible, but common and cheap.
-
- My question concerns what seems to me to be a natural extension
- of these ideas. If you have faith that technology will eventually
- make *anything* possible, why bother with cryonic suspension?
- Eventually time travel will be developed and the citizens of the
- future will have the capability to return to the present era,
- rescue the dying individual, and transport him/her to a future
- era where his/her condition is curable.
-
- The contract with the preserving organization is largely the same,
- only in this case there is no body to maintain. It will be
- retrieved when it becomes possible to do so.
-
- Many problems with this scenario are obvious, but they seem to me
- to parallel the problems with the cryonic scenario:
-
- Why would future individuals want to rescue all the people who have
- died in the past? The same answers that have been offered to the
- question "Why would they want to revive frozen individuals?" would
- seem to apply.
-
- What if time travel is a physical impossibillity and so is never
- developed? Same answers as to "What if it *never* becomes medically
- possible to revive a frozen individual?" Many cryonics proponents
- seem to have complete faith that travel to other planets will become
- possible, so why not time travel?
-
- The only serious objection I can see at present is this: It may
- be that the medical techniques required to revive a "deanimate"
- individual are more likely to be developed than time travel. This
- seems like a statement of faith at best. How can we predict
- which of the things we can't do now we will ever be able to do?
- After all, we are not discussing controlled fusion, cross-species
- organ transplants, or some other technology that might not be too
- far off in the future. Even in those cases whether we will meet
- ultimately with success cannot be accurately predicted, and the
- possibilities being discussed here are centuries off at best.
-
- --
-
- -Brian Bevins
- bsb2u@virginia.edu
- bevins@cebaf.gov
-