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- From: anderson@fermi.phys.ualberta.ca (Warren G. Anderson)
- Newsgroups: sci.astro
- Subject: Re: On the formation of black holes
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- Date: 21 Jul 92 19:48:50 GMT
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- In article <83854@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P
- Wiener) writes:
-
- > That the external observer sees infalling material disappear in a finite
- > time, contrary to what was believed three decades ago, because people
- > didn't yet understand the difference between time and t.
-
- In fact, this is not true for a classical source, at least, not if
- "disappear" means "no emissions can reach a stationay observer".
-
- I finally got around to looking in the suggested section of MTW. I guess I
- misunderstood what you were saying. What you say above is true. However,
- the stationary observer never does see anything cross the event horizon
- (which is what I was saying). It's simply that the intensity fall off due
- to the space-time curvature is so rapid that 'virtually' nothing
- escaping from a test particle close enough to the event horizon reaches
- a stationary observer. Why didn't you just say this instead of saying
- that my argument using Penrose diagrams was going awry because I was
- using Schwarzschild time and such? In the end, it turns out we are both
- right, just talking about slightly different things.
-
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