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- From: barrett@add.itg.ti.com
- Subject: Re: HPR Attitudes Towards Model Rocketry
- Message-ID: <1992Jul23.212416.8393@axis.dsg.ti.com>
- Sender: news@axis.dsg.ti.com (System News Administ)
- Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:24:16 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul23.142755.2177@axis.dsg.ti.com> you write:
- <stuff deleted>
-
- >on his models and was quite proud of them (as well he should). I asked
- >him if he had made the "appropriate" modifications to the kits that
- >would make them "better". He did not understand and then I went on to
- >explain my experiences with Aerotech models and how I had figured out
- >some simple changes to the motor mount/engine-hook/baffel-system that
- >would increase reliability and flexibility. I also explained that I had
- >lost 2-3 models in the process of learning this information. He was not
- >
- <stuff deleted>
- I plan to purchase and build my first Aerotech kit this Fall. Could you
- tell me what these modifications are, or tell me where else I can get a
- copy of the modification procedures. Thanks.
- --
- Greg Elder | "Artificial intelligence?!!! I'd rather
- Dept of Computer Science | have real intelligence."
- Arizona State University | -- Ann Elder
- elder@enuxha.eas.asu.edu |
- =============================================================
-
- Since Greg thinks this may be useful, I'll post it to r.m.r.
-
- I first thought that the overall design of the kits were quite good,
- however, I did have some problems that I figured out fixes for.
-
- - The internal thrust ring is a real pain. The spacers tend to get
- welded to their cheap motor mount tubes (Buzz, note I didn't say engine
- ;-)). Don't use it. Instead, use an external thrust ring at the base
- of the engine. I use 1/2" masking tape or I epoxy a 3/8" piece of MMT
- to the end of the engine. This allows for longer engines anyway (e.g.
- H70, H100, G42, etc).
-
- - The motor rentention "hook" gets the big heave ho. I had a few
- motors come out; even a re-load :-(. I extent the MMT 3/4" behind the
- aft bulthead and then use tape (straping tape if a reloadable motor is
- involved) to keep the engine from coming out at ejection. This means
- that you will have to move the Fin Lock rings forward a corresponding
- distance.
-
- - The Aerotech MMTs are really poor. After a few flights, they tend
- to burn up! I use Phenalic(sp?) MMT on all my rockets now.
- Unfortunately it is real hard to get the Fin Lock rings to fit a 29mm
- Phenalic tube without lots of sanding. I would paint the outside of the
- MMT with some finish coat epoxy (after you glue the Fin lock rings into
- position) in order to give it some added durability.
-
- - I would also coat the aft end of the MMT with Epoxy so that it is
- reenforced to stand up to many launches/motor insertions. Even a thin
- coat on the inside would help. You will have to sand after it dries
- before a motor will fit.
-
- - The baffle system needs to be inspected before EVERY launch. It
- tends to get clogged up and will eventually cause the ejection to vent
- side ways through the side of the rocket (which then becomes a lawn
- dart!). Take a 1/4 wooden dowel and drill a hole in the end and epoxy a
- 1" pin or small nail to the end. Poke holes in the wire mesh to keep it
- porous. You will have to replace the wire mesh with a "chore boy" after
- 6-10 launces. Unfortunately the old mesh tends to weld itself to the
- plastic piece at the top so this is a pain. You really can't use
- wadding because the shock cord is attached to the forward bulkhead
- (unless you move the attachment point ala LOC).
-
- - Don't tie the shock cords to either the nosecone/payload section or
- the parachute; use small quick links instead. This makes for easier
- tranportation and more flexible interchange of parts.
-
- - Use Epoxy on everything! CA should only be used to tack a piece in
- place (the spray CA accellerators work GREAT for this).
-
- That should do it. Aerotech models are a good first step from the Estes
- arena, however, they really can't be considered a durable HPR vehicle.
-
- P.S. CD, I realize now that my example of the guy who was not too
- enthusiastic at my suggestions may have sounded like a "who asked you
- anyway?" situation. Fair call on your part. I really was trying to be
- helpful. Maybe too helpful?
-
- Stu Barrett TRA# 1277 NAR# 4341
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