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- From: mkfeil@bcrki9.bnr.ca ()
- Subject: Re: Taildraggers taking off (P-factor & Torque)
- Message-ID: <1992Jul29.192503.9464@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
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- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:25:03 GMT
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- In article <5828.2a758e95@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
- >Read the following again, Iskander. If the thrust exceeds the total
- >of weight and drag, it will not slacken off in speed.
-
- All Iskandar is saying is that a propeller is not a thrust machine. It
- creates LIFT, and this lift decreases as the plane's airspeed increases since
- angle of attack decreases. It follows that a greater than 1:1 static thrust
- may not translate into unlimited vertical since the excess thrust may not be
- enough to overcome BOTH the increasing drag on the airplane and the
- decreasing thrust. As an example, consider a VERY large diameter, VERY low
- pitch prop. This prop will have high static thrust since it moves a lot of
- air, but long before form drag on the plane becomes significant, the maximum
- speed of air moving through the prop will be reached. If this is too slow to
- keep the plane flying properly, then it will fall off to one side.
-
- >> If the prop is actually providing drag (since, as you say, the
- >> airspeed is so high that the blade is at negative AOA) then the
- >> prop can't be providing thrust, can it.
- >
- >Sure it can. Just because a wing is at a slightly negative AOA doesn't
- >mean it produces no lift. What makes airplanes descend is having less
- >lift available than you have wieght. The same principle applies here to
- >props. It is the forward-pointing component of lift that cause the prop
- >to speed up (think of it as negative induced drag)
-
- I don't think this is right. AOA and lift are defined relative to the air
- stream. If there is less lift than weight, then the airplane will accelerate
- downward. If lift is equal to weight, the airplane will continue doing what it
- was doing, i.e. either climbing steadily, flying level, or descending in a
- steady glide. At zero AOA the plane is in free fall. Of course the free fall
- itself will tend to change the AOA (not to mention drag effects and terminal
- velocity), so to remain in free fall a plane would have to follow a parabolic
- path.
-
- Cheers!
- Max
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