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- From: earl@trsvax.tandy.com
- Date: 24 Jul 92 14:25 CDT
- Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
- Subject: Re: Indoor R/C
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- /* ---------- "Indoor R/C" ---------- */
- Does anybody have experience flying indoor R/C? I'm curious about what wing
- loadings would be reasonable for flying in a 55 x 25 meter (180 x 82 ft)
- gym.
- In one reference I've seen, they recommend an upper limit of 0.122 g/cm^2
- (4 oz/ft^2) for wing loading. An IMS indoor contest in 1980 had an upper
- limit of 0.0915 g/cm^2 (3 oz/ft^2).
- Those limits seem a bit low to me. For the larger wing loading, a 30 degree
- bank and coefficient of lift of 1.0 that gives you a turn radius of only 4
- meters. Airspeed is 4.8 meters/sec. I would think you could get away with a
- larger turn radius, although it's hard to say without actually trying it, I
- guess.
- Is that reasonable? Or is my coefficient of lift to optimistic? Any
- comments?
- I've tried to use a Microsoft flight simulator to get a feel for the
- problem, but I haven't had much luck setting up the simulator properly.
- Reference: Poling, Mitch. _Building and Flying Electric Powered Model
- Aircraft_, 1984, page 73.
- -- Frank Manning -- "For every vision
- -- College of Engineering and Mines -- there's an equal and
- -- Civil Engineering 100, University of Arizona -- opposite revision."
- -- Tucson, AZ 85721 frank@evax2.arizona.edu -- -Unknown
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- A long time ago, when CANNON first came out with their Micro radios, several
- of us tried indoor RC pylon racing. Basically we used scaled down Quickie 500
- (Quicky 160's?) models, built up out of balsa and covered with whatever was left
- as scrap covereing materials. At first we ran 200 sq in wing spans, but we wound
- up down to 150-160 sq. inches as competition got more heated. We all ran COX
- TeeDee 010 engines. Even then these little suckers could really go fast, after
- they got going (not much oomph on the hand launches).
-
- We were lucky, in the fact, that we had access to a couple of large hangers
- for aircraft, that weren't in use at the time. At first we ran into a lot of
- radio interference problems, due to the metal hangers causing a lot of
- RFI reflections inside. We wound up just cutting off the excess receiver
- antenna wire (reducing range, obviously), and collapsing the transmitter's
- antenna enough to still give good control inside the hangers. Unfortunately,
- the aircraft hangers we used are much more roomier than a school basketball
- gym. But we had a lot of fun back then. At that time we though about building
- up some 50-60 inch glider type models and running Cox TD 010's to see if we
- could fly much more slowly, but nothing came of it. Because the models were
- so small, their relative strength to wieght ratios were good, thus they'd
- withstand midairs, crashing into the cieling, walls, etc, without any damage.
-
- Tower Hobbies has started offereing a Lanier RB-1 Condor rubber motor powered
- glider (74 inch span with a 16" prop), that is all foam injection molded. This
- would make a cheap, easily setup model to try out indoors. It has about 500 sq
- inches of wing area, and weighs in at about 28 ounces, add a Cannon super micro
- radio which can weigh about 1.5 ounces for 2 channels, and you'd have 29.5
- ounces all up which gives you about 8.5 ounces per square foot wing loading.
- Being a foam model, it would be fairly rugged for withstanding encounters with
- the walls and ceiling. Being rubber powered would be clean, and avoid messy
- fuel mess clean ups.
-
- One of the RC modeling magazines, very recently had a couple of pictures of
- a indoor RC model, built up using lots of carbon fiber. It looks to have almost
- nothing for wing loading. Unknown what they were using for radio control.
-
- I have given thought to building up a hand launch glider (eg. Dynaflite's
- Skeeter) wing, and makeing a stick fuse and putting my Cannon radio into it
- along with a big prop for rubber power, and trying it out too. But I've been too
- caught up with other things to sit down a fabricate a nice rubber motor prop.
- The new Cannon super-micro radio flight packs are down to about 1.5
- ounces for battery, receiver, two servos, and a switch harness. This would allow
- one to build a really light airframe, if your careful and use some carbon fiber
- tape too. The rubber band motor props are the hardest to make in this case.
- For models like these you pretty much have to make your own propellors, as
- no one sells them anymore.
-
- I don't know if it helps, but it did jog my memory and remind me of some of
- neat, wild and crazy fun things I've done in the past.
-
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- Earl W. Bollinger
- @ <trsvax!earl>
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