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- From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
- Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
- Subject: Re: Taildraggers taking off (P-factor & Torque)
- Message-ID: <5808.2a6da0b4@hayes.com>
- Date: 22 Jul 92 17:53:55 GMT
- References: <5777.2a65a89d@hayes.com> <BrJJ3p.Mvw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <5797.2a6b026a@hayes.com> <Brr5K9.MID@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
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- In article <Brr5K9.MID@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
- > In article <5797.2a6b026a@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
- >
- >>Faugh! Thrust INCREASES in the air. It does not "drop off." What causes
- >>the airplane not to accellerate any further is the subsequent increase
- >>in DRAG! When the aircraft reaches the speed at which the total drag
- >>equals thrust, it ceases to accellerate. That's the cruise speed.
- >
- > It increases up to a point, then it drops off.
-
- This is because of the vagarities of the output of the motor, not the
- prop. Once you get beyond the RPM peak, the total amount of power
- from the motor lessens, and the thrust lessens. But it does this very
- slowly.
-
- > Which is why you can
- > only go a certain speed with a low pitched prop but can exceed that
- > speed with a higher pitched prop.
-
- Right, since the same prop induced drag (ie same required torque) is
- related to the prop AOA. If the prop has more pitch, that AOA is
- reached at a higher speed. If the prop has too much pitch, the total
- drag halts the aircraft accelleration long before the optimum AOA is
- reached.
-
- > Which is why one often can't have
- > unlimited vertical climb even if static thrust exceeds weight.
-
- Huh? I don't see how this is related to propeller performance.
- You can't change the laws of physics. In a vertical orientation,
- the primary forces acting on a plane are thrust, weight and DRAG.
-
- Even if thrust exceeds weight, you still have to have extra thrust to
- compensate drag. If thrust exceeds the sum of weight and drag, the
- aircraft will accellerate upward. If thrust is equal to that sum,
- the aircraft will continue upward at the same speed. (For the limited
- heights used by model aircraft, this would result in an "unlimited"
- vertical climb)
-
- > Which is why props can act as brakes in a dive.
-
- Props act as brakes in a dive because you are changing the angle of
- attack. As you move the plane faster than the prop, the AOA decreases,
- hence the induced drag decreases and the torque required decreases,
- so the prop spins faster. At some point, the engine can't spin any
- faster since the torque output decreases faster than the requirements.
-
- At this point, the engine resists further rotation. Even if the props
- are at a highly negative AOA (which results in a forward (spinward)
- pointing induced drag component), the engine can't turn any faster.
-
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