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- From: andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino)
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- Subject: Re: grinding gears when revving engine at high speed
- Message-ID: <5630164@hplsla.hp.com>
- Date: 31 Jul 92 01:21:47 GMT
- References: <tr.712338722@samadams>
- Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
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- / tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold) writes:
-
- | In some situations, I want to accelerate quickly from a standstill to
- | merge onto a high-traffic, high-speed road. My Saab 9000S has a
- | normally aspirated 2.0 liter 16 valve engine. The car weighs about
- | 3000 pounds, so acceleration isn't that good. With this, combined
- | with a very low first gear, quick acceleration doesn't come without
- | some effort.
- |
- | When I rev the engine to nearly redline, shifting to second gear is
- | very tricky. I try to pull the shifter into second, and instead of
- | going in, it gives resistance and the transmission makes a very loud
- | grinding sound. What causes this? More importantly, what is the
- | proper way to shift quickly in this situation?
-
- Hi there, a friend just called my attention to this posting and I'd like to
- throw in few words on my experience with this problem.
-
- I have a 1988 normally-aspirated 900S with manual transmission which I
- purchased new. The transmission has always been balky in just the manner
- you describe. In fact, sometimes it seemed that even at moderate RPMs the
- first to second upshift could not be accomplished without some grinding.
- Finally, I tried RedLine MTL at 75K and it helped a little bit, but the
- problem basically remained.
-
- At 87K miles the pinion bearings went and I had the gearbox rebuilt. There
- was considerable gear chipping on first gear (which I do not recall ever
- grinding) and second was quite bad. Third and fourth looked like new. The
- pinion bearings were a mess, all the bearing surfaces were severely damaged
- and there were signs of external debris impinging on the outer edges of the
- race. It looks like the nice hardened steel gear chips created by grinding
- gears were the culprits in this damage. The surprising thing is that the
- synchros themselves were in very good shape, it makes one wonder if this
- gearbox design is not rather deficient.
-
- Well, I now have 107K and the new gearbox shifts much more nicely from 1st to
- 2nd than the original ever did, though I also have grown very conservative and
- make all shifts quite more slowly and deliberately than before. (A nasty shop
- bill has a way of doing that).
-
- Anyway, I know the 9000 has different transmission, but perhaps a similar
- design idiosyncracy in this regard. That is disappointing. I would advise
- avoiding any shifting that causes grinding, obviously it will catch up with
- your wallet in the long run (it did with me)!
-
- A few weeks ago I had an opportunity to put a few hundred miles on a '92
- 9000S with the 4-speed automatic (and the 2.3L engine, normally-aspirated).
- It is quite slow off the line (miserable, in fact, with the A/C on), but
- once under way, the transmission/engine combination is pretty nice. But
- expect only 20-21 mpg overall, maybe 26-27 on the freeway.
-
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