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- From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
- Subject: Re: Audi fuel pump II??
- Message-ID: <1992Jul26.085619.18851@metapro.DIALix.oz.au>
- Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
- References: <1992Jul24.151835.10540@exu.ericsson.se>
- Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 08:56:19 GMT
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- In <1992Jul24.151835.10540@exu.ericsson.se>
- lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes:
-
- >The saga continues:
-
- >I have done all the checks, relay, ground wires, changed spark plugs.
- >I checked the fuel flow, I have fuel flow all the way to the fuel
- >distributor. I removed a injector connection from the distributor and
- >tried to start it, but no fuel came out of the distributor.
- >I then removed the distributor and found the plunger to be very stiff.
-
- >The air flow plate would have a hard time pushing the plunger.
- >When I completely removed the fuel distributor and all the fuel ran
- >out of it, the plunger was freed. It seemed the plunger was
- >'pressure locked'. I reconnected every thing and low and behold the
- >engine started. It was running fine, but the fuel pump was making
- >much more noise than it used too. The engine then died, ran for about
- >a minute. I didn't disconnect the fuel distributor again but I assume
- >the plunger had become 'pressure locked' again. Some how the fuel
- >after the plunger would get locked in and the air flow sensor would
- >be unable to push the plunger.
-
- From your description, it could well be the control pressure
- regulation circuit. This acts on the top of the plunger to
- "fine-tune" the plunger stiffness against the metering plate
- lever.
-
- There is a small piston in the side of the fuel distributor
- which does the actual regulation. Connected to it, is a line
- to the control pressure regulator, mounted on the engine
- block. This is also called a cold-start regulator, though it
- does a lot more than that.
-
- Disconnect the fuel line to the control pressure regulator
- (careful, lots of fuel) and see if the plunger moves easily.
- If it does, then you probably have a faulty control pressure
- regulator -- or maybe just a clogged fuel return line.
-
- If the plunger does not move freely, then the control piston
- (or push valve) is stuck. You'll have to dismantle that
- section of the distributor to see the cause, but be very
- careful with the parts... This would be about the last thing
- to go wrong. A stuck regulator can mean replacing the fuel
- distributor. It's not very likely that it is broken because
- you got it moving after venting pressure.
-
- A little more likely, is that the control pressure regulator
- on the side of the engine has failed in a strange way,
- causing the control pressure to be too high.
-
- >The specs for the pump say it should take 8.5 amp at 11.5v.
- >As my digi-meter only goes to 10amp I didn't want to connect it to
- >measure the amps. I measured the pump resistance instead.
- >It was about .9 ohms, that gives 12.8 amps at 11.5v .
- >I wonder how accurate this is? Does the internal resistance of a DC
- >motor change when it is working??
-
- Actually, the current draw depends on the pump load
- (pressure and internal friction) so simply measuring the
- winding resistance is not sufficient. If you don't want to
- burn your multi-meter (most will take more than 20 amps even
- though they only claim 10 amps), then put a small resistance
- in the fuse position, and measure the voltage drop. (I trust
- I don't have to tell you how to select a resistor.)
-
- >From all of this I diagnose that the fuel pump failed,
- >over pressurising the fuel distributor.
- >Do people agree/disagree with this???
-
- I do. The fuel pump, if it is really dead, failed as a result
- of an over-pressure condition. The fuel pump has probably
- shut itself down and will work when the problem is
- rectified.
-
- >If this is the case, did the increased fuel pressure from the pump
- >break the fuel pressure regulator in the fuel distributor? The
- >distributor also contains pressure regulators for each injector.
- >I am not convinced that the fuel pressure regulators in the distributor
- >are broken as the engine 'seemed' to run 'ok' for a minute, before the
- >fuel build up in the distributor stopped the engine.
-
- If the engine always restarts after venting fuel pressure,
- then it's the pressure regulation circuit. Probably -- a
- faulty return line. Maybe something hit it and caused it to
- be closed or partially restricted.
-
- Get a large clean container and disconnect the fuel return
- line(s?) and allow them to drain into the container (you'll
- probably want to tie them down unless you're an octopus).
- Try to start the engine again.
-
- If the engine runs with return flow to the containers, then
- fix the return line under the car (and send me 200 chocolate
- frogs;-))
-
- Let us know how you go...
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