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- From: ghg@en.ecn.purdue.edu (George Goble)
- Newsgroups: rec.autos
- Subject: Re: Non-CFC A/C - What is the real scoop?
- Message-ID: <1992Jul26.194632.19198@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
- Date: 26 Jul 92 19:46:32 GMT
- References: <rkushner.3f8b@sycom.mi.org>
- Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
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- In article <rkushner.3f8b@sycom.mi.org> rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner) writes:
- >In an article, nstern@cass.ma02.bull.com (Neil Stern) writes:
- >>Hi,
- >>
- >>I'm looking to purchase a new car and I would like to know the
- >>real scoop on auto a/c and CFC's. I have 3 basic questions:
- >>
- >>1) For how long will CFC refrigerants be available, and affordable?
- >
- >Not too much longer. If either Bush or Gore/Clinton are elected, expect
- >a total phase out of R-12 by 1995.
- >
- >>2) What cars are available today (or will be available for the '93 model
- >> year) that use non-CFC refrigerant?
- >
- >BMW, Chrysler LH & ZJ lines(LH = Concord Intrepid Vision '94 New Yorker -
- >ZJ = Jeep Grand Cherokee and Grang Wagoneer), and some GM models which were
- >re-engineered for '92(Bonneville?) - I lost my full list. Basically as
- >platforms are being phased out, so is R-12.
- >
- >>3) Can a car that currently uses CFC refrigerant also use the new
- >> non-CFC refrigerants, or is there a fundamental difference between
- >> the types of A/C units? In other words, can one replace the
- >> refrigerant with non-CFC refrigerant?
- >
- >NO! The head pressures of R-134a are probably way too high for current
- >condensors and compressors. Plus the capacity of 134a is ALOT less than
- >R-12. Might as well fill it with Carbon Dioxide.
- >
- >Basically, don't get A/C on a car if it uses R-12, it's not worth it. By the
- >time it's time to junk the car, reclaiming the ref. might cost up to $200. I
- >currently work for a Carrier dealer and we raised our rates for warranty
- >compressor changes $150 because we have to pump down the systems and
- >reclaim/dispose of the burnt refridgerant. Two years ago I bought a 30lb jug
- >of R-12 for $25, now the same can costs $60+ and all the added cost goes
- >into Uncle Sam's pockets.
-
- R-12 is now around $165 or so for 30 lb wholesale. There are some blends
- around that will work in an R-12 system, and at least one of them
- gives better cooling performance.. These blends use no CFCs. Check out
- rec.autos.tech newsgroup, and search for "Freon"
- --ghg
- >
- >>Thanks!
- >
- >Are you sure?
-
- yep
- --ghg
-