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- From: rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner)
- Newsgroups: rec.autos
- Subject: Non-CFC A/C - What is the real scoop?
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- Date: 23 Jul 92 20:47:37 EST
- Organization: Michigan Information eXchange
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- In an article, nstern@cass.ma02.bull.com (Neil Stern) writes:
- >Hi,
- >
- >I'm looking to purchase a new car and I would like to know the
- >real scoop on auto a/c and CFC's. I have 3 basic questions:
- >
- >1) For how long will CFC refrigerants be available, and affordable?
-
- Not too much longer. If either Bush or Gore/Clinton are elected, expect
- a total phase out of R-12 by 1995.
-
- >2) What cars are available today (or will be available for the '93 model
- > year) that use non-CFC refrigerant?
-
- BMW, Chrysler LH & ZJ lines(LH = Concord Intrepid Vision '94 New Yorker -
- ZJ = Jeep Grand Cherokee and Grang Wagoneer), and some GM models which were
- re-engineered for '92(Bonneville?) - I lost my full list. Basically as
- platforms are being phased out, so is R-12.
-
- >3) Can a car that currently uses CFC refrigerant also use the new
- > non-CFC refrigerants, or is there a fundamental difference between
- > the types of A/C units? In other words, can one replace the
- > refrigerant with non-CFC refrigerant?
-
- NO! The head pressures of R-134a are probably way too high for current
- condensors and compressors. Plus the capacity of 134a is ALOT less than
- R-12. Might as well fill it with Carbon Dioxide.
-
- Basically, don't get A/C on a car if it uses R-12, it's not worth it. By the
- time it's time to junk the car, reclaiming the ref. might cost up to $200. I
- currently work for a Carrier dealer and we raised our rates for warranty
- compressor changes $150 because we have to pump down the systems and
- reclaim/dispose of the burnt refridgerant. Two years ago I bought a 30lb jug
- of R-12 for $25, now the same can costs $60+ and all the added cost goes
- into Uncle Sam's pockets.
-
- >Thanks!
-
- Are you sure?
-