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- From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
- Subject: Re: Old Recording Restoration
- Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
- Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:46:35 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Jul25.004635.9693@bilver.uucp>
- Keywords: glass based disks, acetate
- References: <4904@gold.gvg.tek.com>
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- In article <4904@gold.gvg.tek.com> chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen) writes:
-
- >I am looking for information on the restoration of old disk
- >recordings. The label on the disk reads "special needled for acetate"
- >it is also notes on some of the disks that they are glass based disks.
-
- Glass was used for base during WWII when all the aluminum was thrown up
- in the air in the shapes of B-17's B-24s, etc. Actually glass is an
- ideal medium for it's smoothness. It just has other bad properties -
- it breaks.
-
- I have about 50 16" glass acetates - recorded from such places as
- Carnegie Hall and Town Hall in NYC in 1944 era. Got them from an old
- recording engineer who started shaving 'wax' blanks for Okeh in 1921.
- And traveled throughout the South doing 'mobile' recordings in the
- '20s.
-
- He had a 10' long accoustic horn cutter, and a turntable that was
- powered by sandbags hung from pulleys in the rafters on stage. As
- long as the bag didn't hit the floor he had speed.
-
- I have had NO problems playing these on appropriate turntables and
- cartridges. The transcription format used a 2.5 mil stylus as opposed
- to the 3 mil stylus for 78s. Just make sure the stylus is in good
- shape.
-
-
- >Some of the disks are what appears to be a coating over an aluminum
- >blank.
-
- That was the standard method, and that is what is used to today to cut
- master lacquers before plating.
-
-
- >They also have a ceter hole with three holes in a triangle pattern.
-
- Only one hole is needed, but three are convenient and it was probably
- mechanical more sound.
-
- The holes are used to engage the spring loaded pin that comes up from
- the center of the turntable. This physically engages the disk as you
- can not have slippage. This is typical of the Rek-o-Kut and Presto
- units. Other units did not have a center drive. My RCA7B uses a rim
- drive to give variable speed, but it does need the center hole to grab
- the disk. And it has TWO synchronous RIM DRIVE motors to keep the
- turntable up to speed. Of course it is about a 40 pound 16" diameter
- 1" thick piece of steel. Not much wow and flutter there with that
- mass, particularly at 78 speed :-)
-
-
- The pin also protruded through the disk and then enaged the bottom of
- chuck that turned the feed screw to move the cutter stylus from center
- to outside - or outside to center depending on what you are coing.
-
- >Anyone with information about the sucessful playing of this type of
- >disk or information of a professional restoration service please Email
- >me.
-
- All you really need is a turntable that is FULL WIDTH for the glass.
- You do NOT want to crack it. Be careful that you don't have any
- separation of the lacquer.
-
- If they are old they may want to be washed or cleaned. Use a mild soap
- or detergent. DO NOT use any cleaners for LP, it will probably disolve
- the coating.
-
- If the discs are noisy you might try 'wet playing' them. This works
- wonders and can turn a scratchy sounding disk into a quiet disk.
-
- I was able to clean up some Eddie Condon 1944 Town Hall Concerts on 16"
- glass that way quite successfully. If you don't have access to a 16"
- turntable, you might check some of the radio stations.
-
- The units that used to be sold had an arm that placed a small amount of
- water with a wetting agent onto the groove area from a 'tone arm'
- mounted on the opposite side of the real tone arm.
-
- But you could get by with a small sprayer or something to put a very
- fine coating of water with wetting agent. Need to penetrate to the
- bottom of the groove.
-
- Make sure you have a cartridge that can tolerate this. I used the
- Stanton 500's for this - they also have about 6 stylii you can choose
- from. I know they have a 2.7 mil. They might have a 3 mil. They have
- 1mil and .7 mil conicals. Use 1mil conical for mono lps. They also
- have elipticals. Shure also has a wide range.
-
- Have fun!
-
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- Bill Vermillion - bill.vermillion@oau.org
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